Make it possible to choose betwenn .NET 4.6 and .NET 3.5 for linux users.

[Eiromplays]

Hi, My unturned servers that is running on Linux worked just fine with the .NET 4.6 version. But now I feel like I lost alot of my money. Because I have paid for plugins and now I kinda dont get support from there. Hope you maybe can sort this out somehow.

[khakers]

That’s something that would probably be better raised with the devs of the plugins you paid for.

[Trojaner]

We will not support multiple runtimes. The maintainability cost for continuing supporting .NET 3.5 is not worth its small user base. Beside that, the upcoming RocketMod 5, which soon the plugins will be based on, will also not support .NET 3.5.

The same arguments as in the complete downgrade debate apply. If we want to support .NET 3.5 for Linux, we must stop using any new features provided by .NET 4.6. This not possible, as not only our code, but also the code of libraries we are using depends on it.

I support the idea of having headless builds with different .NET versions - because hosting Linux servers still works for some people with .NET 4.6.

[Eiromplays]

I fully understand that devs wont support downgrade back to the old version. And i fully support that. It is good to hear that you support having 2 different versions for Linux.

[aman7]

It would have been better for everyone to use .NET 4.6 and find the solution for linux users, there might be some fix exist like using latest OS and dependencies. you should find that out rather than going back. Or just downgrade all platform to 3.5, we linux server hosters are not getting support from plugin developers just because of 3.5 and we are few, so its upto you now to save our money

[Bradler26]

It would have been better for everyone to use .NET 4.6 and find the solution for linux users, there might be some fix exist like using latest OS and dependencies. you should find that out rather than going back. Or just downgrade all platform to 3.5, we linux server hosters are not getting support from plugin developers just because of 3.5 and we are few, so its upto you now to save our money

But if Nelson was to downgrade back to 3.5 most plugin devs would just quit. Us windows users will lose even more players and money compared to the amount of player and money loss the linux servers would suffer. I know it sounds harsh but you are only 20% of all the unturned servers and if I was Nelson and only had 2 choices I would rather take 80% of the servers over 20%...

[aman7]

It would have been better for everyone to use .NET 4.6 and find the solution for linux users, there might be some fix exist like using latest OS and dependencies. you should find that out rather than going back. Or just downgrade all platform to 3.5, we linux server hosters are not getting support from plugin developers just because of 3.5 and we are few, so its upto you now to save our money

But if Nelson was to downgrade back to 3.5 most plugin devs would just quit. Us windows users will lose even more players and money compared to the amount of player and money loss the linux servers would suffer. I know it sounds harsh but you are only 20% of all the unturned servers and if I was Nelson and only had 2 choices I would rather take 80% of the servers over 20%...

they will not quit, 2 weeks ago unturned was running .NET 3.5 and they were all happy and selling their plugins and making a lot of money, and its not impossible to support two .NET version of plugin they are just lazy or dont want to support because we are few. you would have understand this if you had bought the plugins like 10-20 days ago.

[Bradler26]

They simply cannot rollback. As @trojaner has stated before they are working on rocket mod 5 that is one of the most hyped released for us server owners and we can't wait. They would loose all that progress all because of a rollback. As I said before I would rather please the majority. And relating to the plugin thing, there is nothing stopping you from converting to windows. It's slot easier for some users to convert to windows rather than Nelson to rollback and all the plugin devs to do the same, on top of that all the windows owners would be down for a few days while they downgrade their plugins

[aman7]

@Bradler26 just imagine you bought a game for $50 for linux, and they stopped the support next day and you not even getting the refund, and they asking you to buy windows, what would you call this? scam? or gift to the developers?

[Bradler26]

I understand that and I am not going to go into if it is a scam or not. That should be discussed with the plugin owners. I'm talking from Nelson's perspective. Let's say you are a game designer and you make a game. You can then either drop support for Linux (20% of your severbase) or pretty much ruin everyone to the point where you could loose over half of all servers.

I think at this point we can just agree to disagree as we quite clearly have different views. I understand your frustration related to your purchases plugins but this will also happen to us if there was a revert.

[aman7]

game will be fully alive man, just remember plugin developers should depend on Unturned, not unturned should depend upon plugin developers, game will work fully on all the platforms it supports, just the plugins wont which is third party, and none of the servers will effect because of plugin because if one developers doesnt others will.

[Eiromplays]

I guess that the best for me and maybe some other Linux hosters it would have been good if we could choose between .NET 4.6 and .NET 3.5 because for some linux hosters .NET 4.6 worked just fine.

[Trojaner]

they will not quit, 2 weeks ago unturned was running .NET 3.5 and they were all happy and selling their plugins and making a lot of money, and its not impossible to support two .NET version of plugin they are just lazy or dont want to support because we are few. you would have understand this if you had bought the plugins like 10-20 days ago.

Meanwhile about 1000 commits and one year of work went to RocketMod 5 which was exactly waiting for .NET 4.6. Plugins for it will not support .NET 3.5 anymore. Just because we supported it in the past, it does not mean we can easily support it again.

@Bradler26 just imagine you bought a game for $50 for linux, and they stopped the support next day and you not even getting the refund, and they asking you to buy windows, what would you call this? scam? or gift to the developers?

No one sold these plugins for Linux. They were sold for "Unturned 3", with no promise regarding supported platform at all. Your money is not gone, you can still use the plugins, just not on that platform.

[aman7]

yes i bought this plugin for unturned 3 and there wasnt anything mentioned that it will not work for linux in future, i know you will say the same thing in future to windows server owner that now only we support MAC, not windows or linux.

[SDGNelson]

Happy to hear that .NET 4.6 worked well for you on Linux!

For the next patch I will adjust the current "32-bit linux" depot to instead be a Linux Dedicated Server depot, and will have builds for .NET 3.5 and .NET 4.6 support in there, so you will be able to use the newer plugins.

Plugin dev wise: I think it's important that those of you who are selling plugins make sure your stores state which .NET versions / platforms your plugins support.

[aman7]

thanks alot nelson.

[Trojaner]

yes i bought this plugin for unturned 3 and there wasnt anything mentioned that it will not work for linux in future, i know you will say the same thing in future to windows server owner that now only we support MAC, not windows or linux.

Well, no one knew that this situation would happen as well.

Plugin dev wise: I think it's important that those of you who are selling plugins make sure your stores state which .NET versions / platforms your plugins support.

This will be definitively done since now different .NET versions are around.

[Eiromplays]

Thank you Nelson this made my day 😀

[aman7]

when the .NET 4.6 build for linux will be available?

[Ascivv1]

What .NET build is Linux using right now?

[aman7]

3.5

[Ascivv1]

Thank you. So nelson reverted it back from 4.6 to 3.5?

[aman7]

yes, soon we will have both 4.6 and 3.5 but dont know when

[SDGNelson]

Sorry it should be out in the next day or two along with the rest of the update, one option I'm looking at is setting up a separate app for the dedicated server. Previously I'd tried to have the main game set up in the anon package, but now devs can setup their own dedicated server tool app, so it might be easier for everyone if it's available there.

[SDGNelson]

3.29.3.0 is now out on preview and should release tomorrow morning

[aman7]

can we get some tutorial or something to use the depot correctly, i have tried doing this download_depot 304930 304937 , it downloads but changes doesn't reflect on the server. this is not only with me, i have asked many linux server owner, they are facing the same issue.

[Trojaner]

You must also update your start script so it uses the correct start executable.

[Eiromplays]

And the correct start executable would be?

[aman7]

no clue about the correct start executable, i think it would be nice, if .NET 4.6 build is default depot for linux.

[Trojaner]

Linux x64 .NET 4.6.1 builds seem quite stable so I agree on this.

[SDGNelson]

Closing since this seems to have gone smoothly. Will comment on the other linux64 thread