Please re-add the option to manually select all applicable explicit resistances.

[flapanther33781]

After the last update it seems the tool will only show the highest single resistance. I want to be able to search for both the general "Total Elemental Resistance" as well as the specific rolls on the item, and your tool having the ability to add up those individual rolls was very handy because of items like this:

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+15% to Cold and Lightning Resistances (implicit)
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Adds 1 to 2 Physical Damage to Attacks
+2 to maximum Energy Shield
+54 to maximum Life
+5% to all Elemental Resistances
+45% to Lightning Resistance
+14% to Fire and Cold Resistances (crafted)
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Try adding up those resistances in your head. Clearly it was faster with your tool doing those calculations.

The current pricing for a ring matching "Total Elemental Resistance" is only 2c but for the specific rolls is 10c. Doing both searches gives me a more accurate idea of how to price my item.

[SnosMe]

The current pricing for a ring matching "Total Elemental Resistance" is only 2c but for the specific rolls is 10c.

It's not more accurate. Sorry but you was doing it wrong. Exact ele res type doesn't matter. Just as an example, on your item buyer can easily change Crafted res and also Explicit lightning res with Harvest craft.

If you want this functionality only for seeing resistances from item, it will be in the same window as #118

[flapanther33781]

Exact ele res type doesn't matter.

Pardon my French, but bullshit. There have been MANY times in the past where I've searched for items with specific res mod rolls because I needed at least a certain number to make sure I was capped. People who don't know how to craft do this probably tens of thousands of times a day across the whole player base.

Just as an example, on your item buyer can easily change Crafted res and also Explicit lightning res with Harvest craft.

Don't lock out a function you previously provided because you personally have advanced your level of playing to where you personally no longer need it. I also may not need it any longer because I do know how to craft some gear, but I need that functionality to be able to accurately price the item for people who don't know how to or don't want to.

it will be in the same window as #118

If you mean it's in the hidden section, yes, I know that's where it used to be. I'm fine with it being in the Hidden section. I'm not asking that this feature be moved to the main view, this issue ticket is because it's no longer there in the Hidden section. Either you've removed it intentionally or by accident.

[flapanther33781]

This is now what appears in the Hidden section for the ring I pasted above:

Only the Lightning mod is there to be selected.

[hejz0r]

@SnosMe as @flapanther33781 said - bullshit - if item has only 2 available resistances with closed suffix, how you change it with harvest craft to make it 3?

Items with x3 ele res are more valuable than x2 ele res with closed suff - now we cannot search properly

The point is we dont want to filter RES TYPE, but RES suff quantity

1 item 90% ele res // FIRE 45% and COLD 45% with 3 shitty suffix 2 item 90% ele res // FIRE COLD LIGHT 30%

we cant separate this two search now! every time im pricing my items i must open poe trade for accurate search ... I thought this addon is provided to give us simple and fast search

[SnosMe]

@hejz0r

Items with x3 ele res are more valuable

Having cold+30,fire+30,light+30 each is the same, as cold+45,fire+45. Can you answer me why having x3 res on item is better for CHARACTER then x2, if it's better than indeed you can request more price for such item.

You are just fooled by narrower number of results returned when you search for x3 res, get less results = price rises between items more quick. But it doesn't mean that x3 res is the actual reason for this.

If you really want to get extra money from item, this filter is doing it much better.

has only 2 available resistances with closed suffix, how you change it with harvest craft

You're so obsessed with x3 resistances that don't even notice that I'm talking about change res, not aug.

[hejz0r]

You should know - You removed QoL from your addon, thats all

[hejz0r]

and hell no, 2 x 45% is not the same as 3x 30% when pricing single item, your listing says 25ch is the cheapest option and i'm selling it for 80ch in 1h

[SnosMe]

I'll quote for you again

You are just fooled by narrower number of results returned when you search for x3 res, get less results = price rises between items more quick. But it doesn't mean that x3 res is the actual reason for this.

why having x3 res on item is better for CHARACTER then x2

[hejz0r]

just curious what qol will you delete next update? maybe go straight forward and abandon project if u dont want to listen simple users?

[hejz0r]

@SnosMe - and yes, im fooled of 3 res, because of simple matter - random people just pay more for 3 res if they see 3 good res on item, not every1 is a PRO to perfectly manage their resistances - and you are just an ignorant, you have removed an option which was ok and was not hurting anybody. Don't know exactly what you expect? That people will flatter sayin "Oh thanks Snos for deleting resistance search" ^^ Addon you created is fucking good, dont know why are u cutting features.

Even poeprices let you filter every resistance ...

[SnosMe]

more for 3 res if they see 3 good res

I think it's applicable only for league start rare items, after this point in league most of the time you're searching for some specific stat, while resistances just a "bonus".

Like here can only be TWO res suffixes.

It doesn't matter of which ele types they are because of Harvest.

[hejz0r]

@SnosMe - just remember, 90% of the market are items priced less than 1ex, people use your addon to value random drop from maps .. not items like this you mentioned

[flapanther33781]

Man, I love your tool, and you seem like a really smart guy, but there are so many ways you are wrong about this specific thing that it's actually laughable.

Can you answer me why having x3 res on item is better for CHARACTER then x2

Because there are many, many players who do not know what you know, and are willing to pay. Period. That's all we should have to say. Why do you need more answers?

If you want the specific reason, it's because someone might be looking to upgrade an item without wanting (or maybe having the money) to upgrade ALL their items. Say it's their belt. They unequip their belt and see which resistances drop below 75%. Maybe they need 15% cold, 20% fire, and 30% lightning to regain their cap. When searching for their new belt they add all three mods in the GGG site to make sure their new item has those in addition to the other mods they want to search for.

For someone who doesn't know crafting (like I didn't for a long time) this is just how you search. The search you describe is more complex and didn't even occur to me until a few leagues later when someone told me you could search for empty prefixes or suffixes. Even now that I know this, I will sometimes search for an item that has all three mods (if I want that) and compare the price to ones with an open suffix because if I can get one that is perfectly rolled for only a little more that might be worth a few c to me. I can't believe you're fighting this so hard lol

I think it's applicable only for league start rare items, after this point in league most of the time you're searching for some specific stat, while resistances just a "bonus".

No, it is only relevant for league start items for YOU and players like you who (a) know how to craft the item, and (b) are willing to.

Regarding (a): many people do not, or do not want to, and are willing to pay higher prices for an item with the exact resistances they want. As you yourself noted, the prices for these is higher because fewer of them might exist, and that's exactly the point - that's our market and you're keeping us from being able to see it, so we now have to go back to doing manual searches to price those rings/amulets/belts. Also this is not just league start because new people join a league every day. When I came back to the game after a few years away I started in Standard then switched to League part of the way through the league.

Regarding (b): even for players who do know crafting - later in the league if they have 10ex in their bank and want to start a new character and they're being lazy ... if they want to pay an extra 20c to find an item that already has the specific 3 mods they want at the levels they want, who are you to tell us that we shouldn't be willing to sell to them, or that we can't price the item appropriately for that?

And lastly ... Harvest? Harvest hasn't even been brought up into this conversation except by you. If someone is looking to buy an item with all 3 resists Harvest tool is useless to them because Harvest swaps one res for another, and would still leave a third res empty.

[hejz0r]

@flapanther33781 : exactly, there are much more people with money who don't know basics of the game, and they want to spend money on "shity" 3 ress boots for example ..

[flapanther33781]

I mean, I understand his point that there are better ways to gear your character. But I think I had built maybe 5-6 characters and gone through multiple leagues before I learned that. Maybe he learned it quickly, or forgot how long it took him to learn, or he's underestimating the number of people who either haven't learned, never want to learn, or are lazy and willing to pay.

And he'd be right in saying there's no guarantee that our items will sell at that higher price. We may list it and then bring it down over time (as everyone does anyway), but the point is that they might, and sometimes do, but we no longer know what the higher end of the range is in order to give it that initial price without having to go back and do manual searches for all three mods.

[hejz0r]

I wish he'll give us back this feature :(

[SlashGeeGee]

hmmm.. all my Res is at 45 each. Damn.. i really need a ring with triple 30 res but I guess I'll just settle for one with double 45 coz Snos said its "the same" lmao

[flapanther33781]

Got an email notification from the last update, was reading back through the comments. I didn't point this out earlier, but:

It's not more accurate. Sorry but you was doing it wrong. Exact ele res type doesn't matter. Just as an example, on your item buyer can easily change Crafted res and also Explicit lightning res with Harvest craft.

Harvest craft can be 10-20c, which could cost more than the item is worth for low-end accessories, and it would also be more time-consuming because it would require a buyer to buy a ring and then find a crafter to buy the craft from rather than just buying the ring with the res they want already on it. This time-saving element is exactly why some rings might sell for more based on exactly which res mods it has rather than forcing the buyer to go through the steps that you think are "correct".

I still think this feature is worthwhile to users. At a certain point I feel like just saying look, re-enable the feature, and if you go another year without understanding it, or never understand it, who cares. We understand it, and we're asking for it. And you already had it coded, so it's not like it would take you a lot of extra work. I still don't understand why you took it away to begin with.

[SnosMe]

Harvest craft can be 10-20c

You don't buy them, they're common af. You also don't have anything valuable to store in station, so space is not an issue too.

1. Look here I'm searching for Total res and have 30 results to chose from, starting from 70chaos.

I'll buy this one for 1EX swap Fire to Cold, and craft something on open prefix.

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2. Now I'm dumb and will search for exact wanted res

Only one result for 3EX with shitty T7 mana prefix

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We may also have a disconnect of what items you're intended to price check.

• I'm tweaking the app towards price checking mid/end-game items, where it has some rare high tier mod with a more common mods wanted by everyone, by relaxing this common mods you find more results (this also helps with HC and private leagues where APT works too).
• And your examples are more about early game where you want to rise price from 5c to 30c, on item that doesn't have rare mod but only common ones, and you expect someone to search by exact values of them. Who will buy these overpriced items? Scamming new innocent players, welcoming beginner-friendly community indeed. Current decision is not based on the following text but I hope with introduction of Loot 2.0 you will find much more items on the ground with common mods that are good rolled, therefore much fewer people to buy items in early mapping, more good rolled ones on trade.

Also don't forget about Rog, he is literary shitting items with T1 common mods, very accessible.

[SlashGeeGee]

you just proved our point bro.. majority of the players dont know how to search like you did and will search exactly what they need. that said, if your tool allows searching separate resistance again, I would've priced mine like 2.5ex and someone would've bought it eventually. let us search the way we want to search and not the way you think we should.

[flapanther33781]

You don't buy them, they're common af.

Only if you're doing Harvest. I rarely ever do Harvest because IMO it takes too long and isn't worth anything unless you minmax it, which I don't do. All I ever use it for is Facetor's and rolling maps, and this league I'm hiding Harvest because the stupid Sentinel shit just doesn't make it even worth it at all. So yes, I AM buying the resist swaps if I need them. Judge me if you want, but your judgement means nothing in terms of affecting gameplay.

We may also have a disconnect of what items you're intended to price check.

We absolutely do, because you're looking at items that are worth multiple exalts. I'm trying to squeeze an extra 10/20/30c out of a low end item because I'm a low-end player who can't make the kind of currency you do. And so are my customers. So you're kind of shitting on low end players for no other reason than because you think we should be where you are. This game has a learning curve, and not everyone is where you are. Or they do know better, but feel like making the choice. If they do that's their business, not yours.

• I'm tweaking the app towards price checking mid/end-game items

Fine, but don't do it at the cost of removing features if you don't need to. If you actually needed to remove the ability to include all the resists in the search for some other technical reason I could understand that, but your entire argument comes down to, "A better player than you thinks you shouldn't do that."

• And your examples are more about early game where you want to rise price from 5c to 30c, on item that doesn't have rare mod but only common ones, and you expect someone to search by exact values of them.

Okay, so you're finally acknowledging there ARE people who want these items, so that's good.

Who will buy these overpriced items?

People who either don't know how to craft, or don't want to, either because they can't afford to (they don't want to take the risk when they have such low currency), or because they think the expenditure is worth the trade. If I'm leveling a new character and I want a ring that has exactly the resists I need I've already explained that I'm not doing Harvest, so I might be willing to pay an extra 10-20c for an item that has the exact resists that I want.

Scamming new innocent players

It's not scamming, it's a perfectly legitimate sale, for the reasons we have been trying to explain to you for like 3-4 pages now. You're the one making a judgement call based on your knowledge of the game, which, as we've tried to explain to you, is both biased morally, and wrong financially.

Also don't forget about Rog, he is literary shitting items with T1 common mods, very accessible.

Again, gambling. When I want an item with exactly what I want why would you point me to RNG?

[flapanther33781]

I saw this in the release notes for the most recent version: "Attribute Mods are now hidden rather than removed completely." If this is restoring the functionality we've been discussing here, thank you, I appreciate it, and I'm sure others will as well.

That said, if it is what we've been discussing here, it's not working for me. I've confirmed I'm running v3.18.10003 but I'm still only seeing 1 res mod. Also, I'm a little confused about the Hidden slider and the Pseudo and Base Item tabs. It seems like these tabs perform the same function as the Hidden slider. But in neither case do I see more than one resist.