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[Questions] About ICZN Conserved name, ICZN nomen inquirendum, and binomial/binominal #24

Closed ElieMarioSaliba closed 2 years ago

ElieMarioSaliba commented 2 years ago

Hello,

While trying to find the equivalences between NOMEN and Zoonom, I stumbled over a few entries that left me with some questions:

Conserved name appears in NOMEN as a synonym of "ICZN Official List of Family-Group Names in Zoology", and I'm not quite sure why.

I also don't understand the concept of nomen inquirendum (http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/NOMEN_0000129). It links to a name that can't be chosen as a nominal type for a taxon, because the associated taxon is inquirendum (it's a property of a taxon), not the name...? Unless you mean something different?

Another detail is the ICZN not binomial entity (http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/NOMEN_0000169). It's supposed to apply to a name that is "not following the Principle of Binominality" in general, as in a binominal family name, or a plurinominal generic name, right? Also, for the ICZN, it should be binomiNal. And that's not only a vocabulary issue, it's also a bit of a philosophical difference between the Zoological Code and the ICN on what exactly is a species name (the French Code is a bit clearer than its English counterpart on this subject).

Cheers,

E. Saliba

proceps commented 2 years ago

Hi @ElieMarioSaliba , ICZN Official list of family-group names get update.

"nomen inquirendum' is used in sense of ICZN Art. 67.2.5 "67.2.5. A nominal species is deemed not to be originally included if it was doubtfully or conditionally included, or was cited as a species inquirenda, or as a species incertae sedis." Also in ICZN dictionary: "species inquirenda (pl. species inquirendae), n. A Latin term meaning a species of doubtful identity needing further investigation." For me it is very similar to "nomen nudum" but in some databases people really want to distinguish those.

Yes, you are right there is mixture of nomenclatural and taxonomic statuses. In NOMEN we did not divide statuses strictly as nomenclatural and taxonoic. We divided all classes as applicable to a single name (nomen nudum or nomen dubium) or requiring a relationship with another name (for example synonym requires two names).

For "not binomial", yes polinomial generic and family-group names are covered there as "ICZN not uninoial", so "not binomial" is a generalized class covering all ranks.

And thank you for "binomiNal" point. I did corrections to nomen.

ElieMarioSaliba commented 2 years ago

Thank you very much,

So, if I understand right, nomina inquirenda apply to names linked to species that are themselves unsure, as in may be syntaxic with another species or simply nonexistent. That's interesting and I see why including may be useful. I don't know if I would consider it a subclass of nomen nudum (I think you meant dubium ;) ). However, unlike nomina dubia, it's a case where the issue is not nomenclatural mostly (issues with the type/application of the name), but taxonomic mostly (issue with the taxon, e.g. the name being associated with a doubtful species).