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2 years ago All the balancing is based on 5.4.8 Prideful gear. So math wise we want to scale 77% Resilience and the 60% Battle Fatigue down to our Season 12 gear. This is gets rid of the guess work and creates the closest feel of 5.4.8 prior to getting there. This is the easiest route to go since gear scaling / class nerfs have already been out of the question and would all in all be way more work and not even be close to the balance we had in 5.4.8.
The math starts off simple and we just compare the damage of Season 15 Gear to Season 12 Gear.
To do that we grab a few spell formulas like Slam, Heal etc and then compare the main stat of Season 15 Gear in that formula to Season 12 Gear. We ignore secondary stats to be as simple as we can be.
Then we use that ratio and minus it from 77% Resilience etc. So for instance if it was 45% more damage on average then we would be at 65% base Resilience needed for Season 12 gear.
Resilience and Battle Fatigue are a bitch because they're exponential and people don't understand that... If someone wants to know how 77% to 65% equals 45% mitigation you can read here: https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/984349-5-4-PVP-Power-and-Resilience-Guide
Please for the love all that's holy don't just guess with what it should be. Do the math to get me the feel of 5.4.8 PVP with the lower gear. This will need to be adjust every season until we get to Prideful but we can do the math ahead of the time because we have the main stats of each season gear.
I'll do the math for you if you would like. Just get me a few spell formulas that are in place as well as a few healing spells and I'll do the math. Most damage calculations don't have a 1:1 ratio with main stats so this is the reason you need to ratio out the stat weight. Google wasn't helpfully trying to look for the spell formulas sadly.
welder1976
TrueNansen
Description: A few days ago resilience was at 65% and nobody did any damage, battlegrounds frequently went with 0 deaths. I sent videos and content to the developers to show that the damage was far low and I recommended a fix of resilience at 50-55%.
Unfortunately, apparently the only two options we are offered are 40% and 65% and the resilience was moved down to 40%, representing a 71% increase in damage done by players.
After a few days of testing, as suspected, this is also unplayable. Warriors are frequently hitting for 150-200k without trinket procs or cooldowns popped. Mages are ice lancing for 100k. As a result, the arena community is totally non-existent and nobody wants to engage in PvP.
Both numbers, 40 and 65% do not work perfectly. However, the only solution I can think of is moving resilience back to 65% and letting it slowly get better and better as people get more gear, enchanted, gemmed, reforged and more PvP power from gear.
As a result, the best thing we can do for now, if you guys are unwilling to implement a temporary custom resilience, is to move resilience back to 65% and wait for the arena season to continue and players stats and damage improve.
In tandem with this change, I highly recommend implementing a change such as doubling the effect of PvP power on gear, to combat the tankiness of players in general.
However, if this is something that can't be done I understand.
So that we can play arena, so that we can battleground, so that we can duel and generally have an increasingly blizzlike time as people get more geared, could we please move resilience back to 65%. This is universally desired by the people in PvP chat. We wanted it to move down, but not all the way to 40.
If 40 and 65 are the only options, 65 should be the choice.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
Current behaviour:
40% resilience means everybody dies instantaneously.
Expected behaviour:
Move to 65% resilience. The game will still be unoptimal in PVP, but atleast it will improve over the coming weeks and months.