SukkoPera / LittleSixteen

Commodore 16 schematics and PCB, redrawn in Kicad
https://hackaday.io/project/182543-littlesixteen-commodore-16-mainboard
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Board is ready, but all I get is a black screen... #12

Open Snocksman opened 1 year ago

Snocksman commented 1 year ago

Hi !

I got my Little Sixteen Board ready today and powered it up for the first time but all I got is a black screen. So I read the Wiki again and found out that I had to remove D93 and R93 if I want to use an original 8501 CPU... So I cut off both and tried again but still black screen... So I tested the CPU (maybe I killed it, because of the installed D93 and R93...), but it still works fine in my Plus4.

Is there something that I should do with the jumper pads JP1 & JP2 if I install 64KB of Memory ??? I found nothing about them in the wiki...

Snocksman commented 1 year ago

OK, I got the Board running. But I have a Problem with the Colors and Picture Stability on my Upscaler.

Here is the picture how it looks like on my original C16: grafik

and here how it looks like on my Little Sixteen: grafik

About picture stability: The picture stays stable on the upscaler for about a minute, after that it begins wobling in one direction... looks like the characters in the picture start "walking" to the left or to the right...

Without the upscaler (connected to an old CRT), the problem with picture stability is gone, but the color problem is still there.

Any Idea about that ?

Edit: OK, I found out that I had to turn the potentiometers much more than i tried to get the right colors. The only thing that persists is the problem with the "wobbling screen" whet i´m using the upscaler. Other C16, Plus4, C64 are working fine with it.

SukkoPera commented 1 year ago

If there's anyone that can help you, that's @kinmami :).

Snocksman commented 1 year ago

For further Information (Oszilloscope Pictures and so on) you can see my thread on forum64: Link

kinmami commented 1 year ago

I assume the video cable is 75 ohms and the termination at the CRT monitor (or video upscaler + LCD) is also 75 ohms. Pls verify on your side if the cable has a series resistor anywhere from 300 to 2K ohms on CHROMA (some cables originally made for the C64 have a series resistor). if the resistor exists than it causes a (too)low CHROMA level. Said that, from your scope screen captures I can see the LUMA signal is too intense and it is saturating (high brightness and distorted sync). Would you please adjust the trimmer or changing the resistor at the video circuit section to achieve something close to 1Vpp (LUMA) and 1Vpp (CHROMA)? Based on my tests done here in Tokyo, 0.9~1.1V is usually well tolerated by many video systems and quality-wise very good Hope it helps.

SukkoPera commented 1 year ago

If calibration of the pots is an issue, note that the wiki has instructions on how to to use fixed resistors in their place, still providing the best output quality, thanks to relentless testing by @kinmami :).

Snocksman commented 1 year ago

In the cable I use there is a 325 Ohm Resistor in the Chroma connection. I was able to get a good picture using the trimmers, but the picture is getting "unstable" after a minute, when i´m using the Upscaler. When I turn the trimmer RV2 counterclockwise as far as possible (I get a very dark picture) the picture gets suddenly stable again.

Should I have 1 Volt on Chroma and Luma pins when the Upscaler is connected, or should it be disconnected ? I tried it with connected Upscaler and the picture when chroma and luma is at 1 Volts looks like that (a bit dark, i think...) and still gets unstable after about a minute: IMG_20230415_185741

I checked the voltages for Chroma and Luma on my real C16 (with connected Upscaler)... They are 1,65Volts for Chroma and 0,83 Volts for Luma. If I make this settings on the Little Sixteen I get an really dark and overcolored picture.

Is it possible, that there is something wrong with the Sync Signal in the Luma Connection ? Is there something in that direction what I could check ? My idea is: When I reduce the Luma Signal as far as possible with the trimmer, the picture gets stable again... So maybe the Sync Signal in Luma is to strong ?