Can we make free international calls via the sipgate-sipsorcery number through cell?

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What steps will reproduce the problem?
1.calling out through FRINGS SIP
2.selecting a phone number from contacts who does not have FRING.
3.Calling internationally and getting a recorded message that says "You don't 
have sufficient credit to make this call"

What is the expected output? What do you see instead?
I expected that since I have a SIPGATE phone number and routed it through 
SIPSORCERY that I would have a number that COULD make outgoing calls 
internationally FOR FREE.

What version of the product are you using? On what operating system?
SPRINT HTC EVO CELL PHONE, FRING, SIP, SIPGATE, SIPCORCERY. (I also have GV but 
that's not what I want to use to make international calls)

Please provide any additional information below.
Is there a way to make free outbound international calls from my cell that has 
been set up through SIPGATE and SIPSORCERY? If not, what do you suggest so I 
may have the capability? 

Original issue reported on code.google.com by mishmiami on 24 Jul 2010 at 3:24

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sipgate internet phone not ringing either when I call 415 #... 

Original comment by mishmiami on 26 Jul 2010 at 11:20

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I got the # from sipgate. google voice is picking up the call

Original comment by mishmiami on 26 Jul 2010 at 11:30

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evertime I call from SKYPE my 415 Number I lose minutes in sipgate which SUCKS! 
and it IS going to my GV. UGH!

Original comment by mishmiami on 26 Jul 2010 at 11:34

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I am really not a stupid person, but this one is really making me lose 
confidence...lol

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 12:48

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I bet you configured sipgate to forward every call to your gv number. That will 
cause you to lose minutes and will cause gv to pick up when calling your gv 
number. Delete all forwards. There is *no* configuration that needs to occur at 
sipgate once you sign up. You sign up, you write down the SIP credentials, and 
you sign out.

If you configured sipgate to forward calls to GV then what you are describing 
is what would happen. GV would pick up when you call your 415 number.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:51

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OMGOSH! You are right! Its all working perfectly now! 

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:55

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Do you guys get paid for this?

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 2:20

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Just in thank yous, but I'm perfectly happy with it. I'm a big believer in 
enabling people and teaching people through technology. Think about it. If you 
went out and picked up a T-Mobile G1 phone off Craigslist for like $50 and had 
a neighbor who doesn't mind you using their wireless, I could help you turn 
that phone into a cordless phone with unlimited talk time to US and Canadian 
phone numbers. That's pretty cool. People who help other people who are down on 
their luck say oftentimes one of the best things the people looking for jobs 
could get is a phone number. 

Imagine getting old phones from a donation bin where the owners had no idea 
they could use SIP calling over wifi. Put a new battery in for $5, get a 
charger for $5. Set them up with a free unlimited use phone line that works 
anywhere they can get on wifi. Its quite a powerful statement.

When you say "its all working perfectly", what exactly do you mean? Did you go 
out and do the airplane mode test? Put it in airplane mode, turn on the wifi, 
and start making and receiving calls?

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 2:30

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Well, I thought maybe a donation button would be cool for your sight. I would 
donate for sure. Maybe a widget?

And THANK YOU. I learned a lot. I love your way of thinking. I have a non 
profit organization and its people like you guys that are rare and valuable to 
our society...

*When I call through SIP/FRING it shows on caller ID as my google voice # and 
it gets   to the destination without my minutes being touched in sipgate.
*My 415 number rings on the computer like it did before and isn't going to 
google voice anymore- its going to the 415 voice mail. 

I will walk around the neighborhood while scouting for mangos and double check 
the Wifi and post that that is working fine airplane mode. 

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:15

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My pleasure, Mishka. My sister has worked in non-profits for years. She 
recently wrapped up at CARAT (California Resources And Training) to go into 
private practice supporting the field.

If you run into issues with sipgate voicemail picking up before GV voicemail 
picks up, then you can go into your sipgate account and delete the voicemail 
"device". In our scenario, sipgate really does nothing more than receive phone 
calls from the regular phone network and transfer the call to a digital one 
that gets carried over the Internet. They want you to use their service to pay 
for outbound calls, but Aaron at SIP Sorcery built the capability to automate 
the outbound calling via Google Voice. Mike wrote extensive scripts to make 
VoIP phones attached to Google Voice (and numerous other providers) do amazing 
things.

I came along and found that the information was scattered all over the place. 
Once I figured out what everyone was doing, I just placed all the information 
in a neat little package. The best part was that when I started with this, I 
just took one of Mike's scripts and dumbed it down to use Google Voice as the 
*only* provider. When he joined us over here, he agreed to help develop, 
update, expand, and maintain the scripts, leaving me the job of helping people 
like you get the most out of it. Mike's original and ongoing contributions to 
this community have been among the best I've seen. Luckily I used to work for a 
PC manufacturer performing tech support calls to people who had issues with 
their computers, so I have a long history of working with people to help them 
understand concepts and "getting them to click on the right things" :)

Enjoy your new free phone line. It was great getting to know you. I spent 10 
weeks in Miami on a job earlier this year. Maybe if I go back to that 
assignment, I can meet you and your husband at Coconut Grove.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:45

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On Sipsorcery sip accounts page is shows my 
sipgate credential for “username.”  
Domain as “Sipsorcery” and it doesn’t allow me to change that to sipgate
Owner- “mishXXXXXX”  dial plan- “default”

Sip bindings page is XXXXXXXXXX @sipsorcery.com. 
owner mishXXXXX

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:52

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coconut grove is fun! that would be cool...

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:54

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yes, I am sure you had to deal with people that didn't know where the "on" 
button was...LOL

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 1:55

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there is nothing else to do after clicking Update.. all changes should be 
permanent. i would like to see you change the account back to using the sipgate 
credentials and see how long they "stick". if the changes are resetting 
overnight there's still an issue with your account.

once you change your settings and click Update, there's nothing else to do to 
make those changes permanent.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 2:30

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this is what I am referring to "On the SIP Accounts page, you need to see a 
sipgate line up top in SIP Providers *and* a sipgate line in the bottom list, 
SIP Provider Registrations. If the picture of your VoIP phone at sipgate is 
red, then chances are sipgate is also not showing up in your SIP Provider 
Registrations list at the bottom of your SIP Providers page at SIP Sorcery."

SIPGATE is in Green still (thats a good thing), but cant use SIP FRING now 
because can't change domain in sipsorcery 

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 2:34

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I see that you meant sip provider page.. so thats fine all is correct there...

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 3:10

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okay I fixed it. I just unsubscribed and subscribed again in fring.. we are up  
working again! I will go and try WiFi now..

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 3:18

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SIP bindings should be empty until you start Fring. If you chose to go with 
sipdroid, it would stay logged in all the time, and SIP Bindings would stay 
populated. You went with Fring instead which only logs in when you start it. 
Occasionally logging in with Fring is a better solution if you don't care about 
burning minutes most of the time or don't have wifi at home.

If you wanted to never burn minutes while you were at home, I would have to 
suggest that you get wifi because your calls will suffer from time to time over 
3G.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 3:29

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I think after this I should work for you guys! :) okay going now to hijack some 
signals....lol

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 3:35

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yeah, I don't have a wireless router at home. There is a device for android 
called tethering. Some make you root your phone. But there is one that says you 
don't have to, Supposedly it turns your phone into a wifi hot spot. I guess 
theoretically I could ditch my cable company and then use my phone? I dunno. 
You are the smart guy. You tell me? :)
Also how do you all make money? You must have high tech jobs?

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 3:38

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Keep in mind wifi doesn't automatically mean high speed Internet. It only 
converts an existing network connection into a wireless one. I ran wifi off an 
old dialup modem for a year before I got a cable modem. All the tethering does 
is make it so you can use other devices, like a laptop, off your cellphone's 
Internet connection. If your voice calls already suffer (not saying they do for 
you, but they do for other people and may for you) its not going to get any 
better by adding a laptop to that same connection. Its the speed of the 
Internet connection *behind* the wireless that makes the difference in call 
quality.

I've been an IT consultant since the early '90s and I just passed my 10th 
anniversary with IBM a couple weeks ago. My job is to fly around the world, 
telling big companies how to get more work out of their computers without 
making them crash. You can't ask Windows to do too much stuff or it'll get 
wacky on you, but that doesn't stop manufacturers like IBM from making ever 
faster computers all the time. So I teach people how to make big new computers 
run many copies of Windows at once. That way, my clients get the most work they 
can out of their new system investments and no single copy of Windows crashes 
from being asked to perform too many different tasks.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 3:57

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I am back! Everything works! The calls are a bit delayed, but I can 
communicate! I even called Mexico! All on Airplane and WiFi mode from my 
Fring/Sip phone! Its neat! I also could listen to Pandora and I tried Youtube 
but I guess I needed a stronger signal it came up though! I didn't wait for 
video to download. No mangoes though..lol But I found LEECHIES! Those are good 
too! LOL 

Wow. 10 years! You must really know a lot! I took a dream weaver class 
once-lol. You get to FLY AROUND THE WORLD! Thats AWESOME! You must like that a 
lot! Have you been to China? 

I have a regualr motem but I have no idea how to get free WiFi off of it? Do 
you pay for that? When I put WiFI switch on on my lap top it shows open 
connections, but when I try to log my phone into them it just shows a dummy 
page for Comcast. 

Oh the speed is what makes the call quality better. I see...Yeah Fring call 
quality isn't all that, but maybe one day it will be! Sipdroid doesn't have 
video, at least that I know of.

So this whole set up should have been way easier. Let me paraphrase
1. get a google voice number
2. get a sipgate free account
3go into sipsorcery and add sipgate info
add dial plan and change 4 lines of code adding your sipgate number
4. go back into google voice and add sipgate number and check it
5 go to your device and open sip application.Subscribe by adding credentials of 
sipsorcery NOT SIPGATE. 
6 log back into sipsorcery and make sure providers page shows sipgate on both 
top abd bottom
7 don't mess with call forwarding in sipgate. leave as is and get out.
8. you may or may not want to add your cell number and leave it checked, if 
youw ant people to call you on your cell through fring
9 All of this will work on airplane and wifi mode once configured correctly.

(:

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 5:03

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You had it up until #8. If you leave your cellphone number checked, they won't 
be calling you through Fring. GV was always intended to forward incoming phone 
calls to other, "regular" phone numbers. If you leave you cellphone checked 
while you're in mexico and accidentally leave airplane mode, Google Voice will 
find you on your regular cellphone number and Sprint will know about it and 
charge you a ton of money for the call. You should always leave your sipgate 
number checked. That way you can make and receive calls for free whenever you 
start Fring. By shutting down Fring, that will avoid the confusion of having 
both your cellphone and Fring start ringing at the same time (as it does with 
sipdroid).

I haven't been to China, yet. Europe a bunch of times and South America earlier 
this year.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 5:38

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(yes, number 8 was for people IN the USA) I will leave it unchecked when 
traveling internationally) if i leave my cell out of the checked GV all 
together that may keep things separate while in USA also since I can call 
Internatioanlly through SIP. I have everything data and 1500 minutes on sprint. 

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 6:49

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and if I keep it checked I don't know if that's considered "call forwarding" by 
sprint?

Original comment by mishmiami on 27 Jul 2010 at 7:42

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Basically, you need to keep sipgate checked in order to use Fring. And the only 
way to guarantee that Sprint won't charge you for individual calls or 
forwarding is by using Fring to make and receive calls. Of course, unless you 
have wifi connectivity, your call quality may suffer. Each phone is different, 
and even different software versions of the phones may behave differently when 
carrying your voice over the Internet.

If you're getting close to running out of minutes towards the end of the month, 
you can shut off your cellphone in the forwarding list and use Fring all the 
time until your minutes reset. Your calls may be less than perfect when trying 
to use Fring without wifi, but at least you know that every single inbound and 
outbound call via Fring will never cost you an extra cent over the cost of your 
data plan.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 27 Jul 2010 at 7:49

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so keeping my cell number checked will not be considered "call forwarding" just 
using minutes correct?

Original comment by mishmiami on 28 Jul 2010 at 1:03

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Also if you guys ever come down here, lets grab a coffee! I have attached our 
email...Can't wait to see new implications on all your codings and stuff!
Keep me posted of any cool and new stuff! 
Have a great day!

Mishka :)

Original comment by mishmiami on 28 Jul 2010 at 1:09

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No, unfortunately, I believe that Sprint is the only carrier that does 
something funky with the way that Google Voice transfers calls. My memory with 
that is fading, so it could very well be that Sprint didn't support Google's 
way of transferring calls but does now. I don't believe they charge any fees 
for receiving calls. It could also be that the rest of the carriers use caller 
ID to decide whether or not to charge you for an incoming call from another 
in-network user, but Sprint's method detects that even though the caller ID may 
show another Sprint user, they know that the call didn't come directly from 
another Sprint user (it came through GV) so they will charge you the same as 
they would for an incoming landline call.

You may wish to return to the official forum for that question since we are no 
longer talking about using Fring to take calls over the Internet.

Original comment by easter...@gmail.com on 28 Jul 2010 at 1:11

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okay thank you...

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