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use of `<stage>` inside poetry, and using placement attribute #476

Closed TEITechnicalCouncil closed 9 years ago

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 11 years ago

http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/EEBO/ lists some places where TCP EEBO texts have identified stage directions inside poetry. Thus: `

Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,

        <l>And without vaile to Open what we meane</l>
        <l>Behold. <stage n="*" place="margin">Here the vp<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>per part of the <hi>Scene</hi> open'd; when straight appear'd a Heauen, and all the <hi>Pure Artes</hi> sitting on two semi<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>circular ben<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>ches, one a<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>boue another: who sate thus till the rest of the <hi>Prologue</hi> was spoken, which being ended, they descended in order within the <hi>Scene,</hi> whiles the Musicke plaid</stage> Our Poet knowing our free hearts</l>
        <l>Has here inuited Heau'n and All the Artes</l>
        <l>To entertayne His Theater, and does bring</l>
        <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>

`

where the stage direction comes in the margin (image attached). To support this, we could add <stage> to model.phrase, and make it a member of att.placement.

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 9 years ago

This issue was originally assigned to SF user: rahtz Current user is: sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Wouldn't this be better encoded as a <note place="margin"> (which could of course contain a <stage>) ?

Original comment by: @lb42

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

That could work, I agree, for the example I gave. but why force the things into the procrustean bed of a <note>, just to get placement? what downside is there to allow @place on ?

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

stage should definitely claim membership in att.placement.

Original comment by: @jamescummings

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

I've no problem with adding &stage> to att.placement, but I don't believe any other change is necessary -- it's already permitted as a child of <l>

I note en passant that membership in att.placement is really just a specialised kind of rendition information.

Original comment by: @lb42

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

I agree with Lou that it makes sense to add <stage> to att.placement, but not sure why we would want to add it to model.phrase.

Original comment by: @rwelzenb

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

adding 'stage' to att.placement accepted by Council. adding it to model.phrase rejected until new evidence is offered.

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

assigned_to: Sebastian Rahtz
Group: AMBER --> GREEN

Original comment by: @jamescummings

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Council in Oxford 2013-11 agreed that stage could have @place; Sebastian to implement and document.

Original comment by: @jamescummings

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

I think there is a reasonable example of a stage direction that needs placement by no other features of from the WWP corpus The Innocent Mistress, 1697:

``<stage rend="align(left)pre()break(yes)slant(italic)place(inset-left)"    type="entrance">Enter Mrs. 
<persName rend="slant(upright)">Beauc.</persName></stage>``

Original comment by: @sydb

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Syd, this looks like a good example: can you provide a page image?

Original comment by: @lb42

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

I am not sure why "inset-left" isn't just normal rendition like the rest of the string? looks like indentation at first blush.

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Description has changed:

Diff:


--- old
+++ new
@@ -1,9 +1,11 @@
 http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/EEBO/ lists some places where TCP EEBO texts have identified stage directions inside poetry. Thus:
-`<l>Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,</l>
+~~~~~
+<l>Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,</l>
             <l>And without vaile to Open what we meane</l>
             <l>Behold. <stage n="*" place="margin">Here the vp<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>per part of the <hi>Scene</hi> open'd; when straight appear'd a Heauen, and all the <hi>Pure Artes</hi> sitting on two semi<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>circular ben<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>ches, one a<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>boue another: who sate thus till the rest of the <hi>Prologue</hi> was spoken, which being ended, they descended in order within the <hi>Scene,</hi> whiles the Musicke plaid</stage> Our Poet knowing our free hearts</l>
             <l>Has here inuited Heau'n and All the Artes</l>
             <l>To entertayne His Theater, and does bring</l>
-            <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>`
+            <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>
+~~~~~

 where the stage direction comes in the margin (image attached). To support this, we could add `<stage>` to model.phrase, and make it a member of att.placement.

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Description has changed:

Diff:


--- old
+++ new
@@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
 http://tei.oucs.ox.ac.uk/EEBO/ lists some places where TCP EEBO texts have identified stage directions inside poetry. Thus:
-~~~~~
+`
 <l>Then such cheape stage-ware) to vnfold our Scene,</l>
             <l>And without vaile to Open what we meane</l>
             <l>Behold. <stage n="*" place="margin">Here the vp<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>per part of the <hi>Scene</hi> open'd; when straight appear'd a Heauen, and all the <hi>Pure Artes</hi> sitting on two semi<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>circular ben<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>ches, one a<lb rend="hidden" type="hyphenInWord"/>boue another: who sate thus till the rest of the <hi>Prologue</hi> was spoken, which being ended, they descended in order within the <hi>Scene,</hi> whiles the Musicke plaid</stage> Our Poet knowing our free hearts</l>
             <l>Has here inuited Heau'n and All the Artes</l>
             <l>To entertayne His Theater, and does bring</l>
             <l>What he prepar'd for our Platonique King:</l>
-~~~~~
+`

 where the stage direction comes in the margin (image attached). To support this, we could add `<stage>` to model.phrase, and make it a member of att.placement.

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Council meeting 11/13 debated at length, and eventually agreed to this; seeing that <stage> can have note-like properties, of being out of the main reading order of text, and thus @place makes sense for them. Implement, but make sure discussed in main guidelines.

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

Has this been completed?

Original comment by: @jamescummings

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

status: open --> closed

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz

TEITechnicalCouncil commented 10 years ago

yes, its been implemented. duly closing

Original comment by: @sebastianrahtz