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Taiko2k / Avvie

A GTK app for quick image cropping :flower_playing_cards:
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Saving to downloads directory is not intuitive #9

Closed TomaszGasior closed 4 years ago

TomaszGasior commented 4 years ago

When I edit file I just want to save it, I mean replace. There is unwritten pattern in software which I see around (Paint, GIMP, Word, LibreOffice, gedit, Notepad, etc.)—you can save (replace current file) or save as (create new file and do not replace original one). Your app recommends saving copy of the file to downloads which IMHO is not intuitive. Also, there is no way to just save file (replace original one). It seems to me gedit uses better approach — there is save (replace current file) button in the headerbar and save as command in application menu. Please consider implementing something like in gedit — it's much more intuitive I think.

Thank you for good app for which I was looking for!

Taiko2k commented 4 years ago

Indeed the save to downloads button isn't something you normally see. However as for myself I use it all the time, I find it much faster than opening the save dialogue.

I think generally you wouldn't want to overwrite the original file. In fact this is how GIMP works. In GIMP pressing save button does not overwrite any original image you are editing. I think that is the preferred behavior of an image editing app.

So a) I think having a dedicated overwrite button should be avoided, b) I think the "quick save to downloads" button is too useful to remove.

You can still save using the "Export As" button within the menu. Though I'm open to hearing other ideas on moving things around. Maybe that export button should be in the header bar also...?

TomaszGasior commented 4 years ago

I think generally you wouldn't want to overwrite the original file. In fact this is how GIMP works. In GIMP pressing save button does not overwrite any original image you are editing. I think that is the preferred behavior of an image editing app.

The main difference between Avvie and GIMP is that GIMP has its own specific image format which allows to store layers, metadata etc., so GIMP's user needs to distinguish save operation (save as native GIMP format) and export operation (save to target, commonly used format). Professional/advanced editing software (like GIMP tries to be) usually makes distinction between "save" and "export" actions. It's common pattern. From the other hand, your app is just simple image editor and my default intuition is to use this kind of software to edit (I mean: overwrite) my image file directly with optional, alternative "save as" option available. It's another common pattern in apps design I think.

Indeed the save to downloads button isn't something you normally see. However as for myself I use it all the time, I find it much faster than opening the save dialogue.

The main problem with "save to downloads" idea is that it's counterintuitive and incompatible with meaning of XDG downloads directory. Downloads directory is designed for files downloaded from the internet (in most cases: by web browser, sometimes by apps like virtual machines managers, like GNOME Boxes). When you edit your image, you don't download any data from web, you just edit your file. "Downloads" directory is not intended to be target of edited file. "Pictures" might be better semantically. But still my first default intuition is to just overwrite current file.

Taiko2k commented 4 years ago

Yeah it was really because of my own workflow that I chose Downloads. Pictures would make more sense as a default.

Hmm, here's an idea: In the main popover menu, have the following options:

And the quick button in the header bar change automatically to whatever the users last selection was of those items. (So it kind of adapts to the users workflow)

I still think "save" terminology should be avoided in an image app.

Taiko2k commented 4 years ago

Sorry for being late on this. I agree with this issue in general. The export to downloads folder is a little unexpected. Ive released an update with the following change:

The quick export button now defaults to the Pictures folder, and there is now a setting to switch the output between Pictures, Downloads or to overwrite the source file. This setting will persist on restarts.