Database of RISM titles?

[craigsapp]

For the critical reports, the titles of works are written out in full:

@PRINCIPAL_SOURCE:
        <i>Fiori musicali di diversi auttori a tre voci.
        Libro secondo. Nuovamente composti, & dati in luce</i>.
        Venice: Giacomo Vincenzi, 1588 (RISM B/I, 1588-20)
        <br>
        [Princeps edition --- complete: CTB]
        <br>
        Digital reproduction of exemplar from {{siglum "A-Wn"}}

One possibility is to generate a spreadsheet of RISM entries, such that the encoding in the report would be something like this, with only the RISM number specified:

@PRINCIPAL_SOURCE:
        {{rismbi-long "1588-20"}}
        <br>
        [Princeps edition --- complete: CTB]
        <br>
        Digital reproduction of exemplar from {{siglum "A-Wn"}}

For the webpage rendering of the report, the text {{rismbi-long "1588-20"}} would be expanded into the full title, publishing information and RISM number in parentheses.

Are all RISM numbers used in TMP from RISM "B/I"?

The advantage of doing this is that the style of the publisher can be changed for all entries. URLs could be added to an online location for the source. And if there are multiple works from one RISM source, only one title would have to be entered -- minimizing typing (or copy/paste), and also only one title would have to be fixed if there is a typo.

For the rime-setting.aton file entry for Trm0047m, I see a problem with some titles that will have to be fixed:

@@BEGIN:        RIME_SETTING
@CATALOGNUM:    Trm0047m
@RIMETITLE:     Non è questa la mano
@SOLERTI:       47
@COMPOSER:      Giovannelli, Ruggiero
@COMDATES:
@PRINCEPSTITLE: In fiori musicali, libro secondo
@PRINCEPSLOC:   Venetia
@NORMLOC:       Venice
@PRINCEPSPUB:   Vincenzi
@PRINCEPSYEAR:  1588
@PRINCEPSRISM:  1588-20
@REPRINTS:      1598-10, 1604-13
@OCLEFS:        C (G2) T (C2) B (C3)
@OMENSURATION:  C

The princeps title has the English word "In" included in the short title

And is being italicized (when it should not). Either I can remove the "In" from the title, or change the organization of the data. To change the organization, I would add a line such as:

@PRINCEPSFORMAT: anthology

When that line is found for a poem setting entry, then this could trigger adding the word "in" in the settings list, and in the PDF subtitles.

Notice that the lower-casing of the titles in the rime settings index caused "In" to be capitalized, and "fiori" to be uncapitalized.

If a RISM index is created, then the RIME entries could be shortened to look like this:

@@BEGIN:        RIME_SETTING
@CATALOGNUM:    Trm0047m
@RIMETITLE:     Non è questa la mano
@SOLERTI:       47
@COMPOSER:      Giovannelli, Ruggiero
@COMDATES:
@PRINCEPSRISM:  1588-20
@OCLEFS:        C (G2) T (C2) B (C3)
@OMENSURATION:  C

And the RISM number in @PRINCEPSRISM could be used to look up the short title, publisher information and reprints from the RISM number "1588-20".

I could create a spreadsheet for the RISM numbers with most of the necessary information (extracted from the setting indexes). You would have to add the "long" titles as see in the critical report for Trm-0047m.

[emilianoricciardi]

Hi Craig,

yes, creating such spreadsheet would be very useful, as we do have single sources that contain many Tasso settings. Regarding the "in" for the Giovannelli, I am planning to go through the indexes to fix this and similar mistakes (mostly happening for anthologies), so no worries.

Emiliano

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[craigsapp]

yes, creating such spreadsheet would be very useful, as we do have single sources that contain many Tasso settings.

OK, I will create one soon, and adjust the settings indexes to use a secondary rism number index on pages such as the settings pages.

Regarding the "in" for the Giovannelli, I am planning to go through the indexes to fix this and similar mistakes (mostly happening for anthologies), so no worries.

I can fix that particular problem very quickly (I'll do that later today). Then when you are checking for errors in the settings indexes you can double-check what I did. I am presuing that "in" is not an Italian word? (at least would never start a title).

[emilianoricciardi]

"in" is Italian as well, same meaning as English, but yes, that's not how titles begin...

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Craig Stuart Sapp <notifications@github.com

wrote:

yes, creating such spreadsheet would be very useful, as we do have single sources that contain many Tasso settings.

OK, I will create one soon, and adjust the settings indexes to use a secondary rism number index on pages such as the settings pages.

Regarding the "in" for the Giovannelli, I am planning to go through the indexes to fix this and similar mistakes (mostly happening for anthologies), so no worries.

I can fix that particular problem very quickly (I'll do that later today). Then when you are checking for errors in the settings indexes you can double-check what I did. I am presuing that "in" is not an Italian word? (at least would never start a title).

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[emilianoricciardi]

Craig, it appears that RISM online has started uploading also some madrigal entries from the A/I series: http://www.rism.info/en/service/opac-search.html

maybe we can add hyperlinks to RISM numbers where appropriate?

also, for composer biographies, at least for Italian composers, the best open-access resource (actually much better on average than Grove, especially for lesser known composers) is the Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani: http://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/luca-marenzio_(Dizionario-Biografico)/ only problem is it's in Italian...but I guess it's still worth providing links to it

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Emiliano Ricciardi < emilianoricciardi82@gmail.com> wrote:

"in" is Italian as well, same meaning as English, but yes, that's not how titles begin...

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Craig Stuart Sapp < notifications@github.com> wrote:

yes, creating such spreadsheet would be very useful, as we do have single sources that contain many Tasso settings.

OK, I will create one soon, and adjust the settings indexes to use a secondary rism number index on pages such as the settings pages.

Regarding the "in" for the Giovannelli, I am planning to go through the indexes to fix this and similar mistakes (mostly happening for anthologies), so no worries.

I can fix that particular problem very quickly (I'll do that later today). Then when you are checking for errors in the settings indexes you can double-check what I did. I am presuing that "in" is not an Italian word? (at least would never start a title).

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[craigsapp]

Most of the anthologies (titles staring with "In" should be fixed. Here are the ones for Trm0047:

Where there are two anthologies: Trm0047m and Trm0047p.

The anthology parameter was made:

@PRINCEPSFORMAT: anthology

since the format is for the princeps edition, not the setting.

Also, there are sometimes authors for the princeps edition, so those use the parameter:

@PRINCEPSAUTHOR

In this example the title with an anthology author is:

In Ferro, Giulio, *Il primo libro de madrigali a cinque voci*  (Venice: Amadino, 1594)

I use a comma to separate the author from the title, but this could be changed to a period, semi-colon or a colon.

[craigsapp]

Here is an initial spreadsheet for princeps editions:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YcaAQc-mxFFDWyOsT7HOlwZkEqB4rPEuOzXCMTKprMc/edit#gid=1977912909

There are two title fields: TITLE_LONG which is for critical reports, and TITLE_SHORT for the brief title for use on the settings pages.

I removed most duplicate entries (the data was copied from the rime settings indexes), but you can delete others if I missed any. Some of the duplicates are due to being in multiple groups (rime and gerusalemme for example). The Gerusalemme generally are encoding the long titles, while the rime have the short titles (for the settings page). You can merge the same RISM number entries into a single line, and sometime it is useful to see both so you can copy the correct long/short titles for the merged entry.

Also: There is a reprint column. Does "reprint" mean a reprint of the princeps edition, or a reprint of the setting (in possibly another publication, in which case it is not really a reprint)?. If it is the second definition, then I should delete the reprints column from the princeps edition spreadsheet since the reprints would then remain in the settings index.

The RISM column (column A) is color coded according to poetic group: green = rime, white = gerusalemme, purple = aminta. The Other group will have to be added manually to the spreadsheet (not too many poems in that set).

Once the princeps edition spreadsheet has been cleaned up, I will set it up to be used for critical reports as well as other pages such as the settings pages.

[emilianoricciardi]

Thanks, Craig! I think we don't need the reprints column, as this information is already available in the other sheet. Also, although the majority of these are actual reprints (i.e., later prints of the same source), a few are later sources by different publishers that sometimes diverge substantially from the princeps, so it's best to deal with them on a case-by-case basis directly in the critical reports.

Two more things. It might be helpful to add authors to this page, just to prevent mistakes. Also, since some of these RISM entries are online, where can I enter links?

Emiliano

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Craig Stuart Sapp <notifications@github.com

wrote:

Here is an initial spreadsheet for princeps editions:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YcaAQc- mxFFDWyOsT7HOlwZkEqB4rPEuOzXCMTKprMc/edit#gid=1977912909

[image: screen shot 2017-04-12 at 10 40 34 pm] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/3487289/24991623/1454c098-1fd1-11e7-8df6-a3dff9f199d8.png

There are two title fields: TITLE_LONG which is for critical reports, and TITLE_SHORT for the brief title for use on the settings pages.

I removed most duplicate entries (the data was copied from the rime settings indexes), but you can delete others if I missed any. Some of the duplicates are due to being in multiple groups (rime and gerusalemme for example). The Gerusalemme generally are encoding the long titles, while the rime have the short titles (for the settings page). You can merge the same RISM number entries into a single line, and sometime it is useful to see both so you can copy the correct long/short titles for the merged entry.

Also: There is a reprint column. Does "reprint" mean a reprint of the princeps edition, or a reprint of the setting (in possibly another publication, in which case it is not really a reprint)?. If it is the second definition, then I should delete the reprints column from the princeps edition spreadsheet since the reprints would then remain in the settings index.

The RISM column (column A) is color coded according to poetic group: green = rime, white = gerusalemme, purple = aminta. The Other group will have to be added manually to the spreadsheet (not too many poems in that set).

Once the princeps edition spreadsheet has been cleaned up, I will set it up to be used for critical reports as well as other pages such as the settings pages.

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[craigsapp]

It might be helpful to add authors to this page, just to prevent mistakes.

Do you mean authors of the RISM entry or composer within the RISM entry? There is an AUTHOR column on the page. This is intended for the author of the RISM entry rather than the composer. The composer can also be the author if the book is not an anthology, which is what I think you mean. I'll work on adding that.

Also, since some of these RISM entries are online, where can I enter links?

I added a SOURCEURL column where links to the content. Or did you mean a link to information about the RISM number instead of a link to the content of the book it refers to?

I removed the reprint column. Here are the RISM numbers of the reprints (in case they ever are added to the database as separate entries):

1583-14 1586-08 1587-13 1588-21 1588-29 1589-09 1590-18 1592-10
1592-12 1593-2 1594-14 1596-03 1596-12 1597-15 1598-10 1598/20
1600-05a/06 1600-08 1601-05 1604-12 1604-13 1604.13 1610-14 1612-18
1616-13 1624-16 1629-10 A1597-04a A1604-03 B2116 F0203 G0117 G1722
G1723 G1724 G1726 G1727 G1728 G1729 G1730 G2460 G2464 G2465 G2480
G2481 G2482 G2488 H5669 L3131 M0501 M0502 M0503 M0504 M0505 M0506
M0508 M0509 M0511 M0512 M0513 M0514 M0516 M0517 M0518 M0520 M0521
M0523 M0524 M0526 M0527 M0528 M0529 M0550 M0551 M0552 M0573 M0574
M0576 M0579 M0580 M0581 M0582 M0583 M0584 M0585 M0586 M1594-14
M1597-13 M1755 M2207 M2211 M3454 M3455 M3457 M3458 M3460 M3461 M3462
M3463 M3464 M3468 M3469 M3470 N0340 N0341 N0389 N399 O0124 P0780
P0781 P0783 P0786 P0787 P0788 P0800 S0012 S0013 V1011 V1012 V1013
V1014 V1015 V1016 V1017 V1018 V1019 V1020 V1021 V1042 V1047 V1401
V2105 W0882 W0883 W0886

[emilianoricciardi]

Hi Craig,

yes, I mean composer/author of the source, which typically coincide (except for anthologies and a few sources)

Emiliano

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:31 AM, Craig Stuart Sapp < notifications@github.com> wrote:

It might be helpful to add authors to this page, just to prevent mistakes.

Do you mean authors of the RISM entry or composer within the RISM entry? There is an AUTHOR column on the page. This is intended for the author of the RISM entry rather than the composer. The composer can also be the author if the book is not an anthology, which is what I think you mean. I'll work on adding that.

Also, since some of these RISM entries are online, where can I enter links?

I added a SOURCEURL column where links to the content. Or did you mean a link to information about the RISM number instead of a link to the content of the book it refers to?

I removed the reprint column. Here are the RISM numbers of the reprints (in case they ever are added to the database as separate entries):

1583-14 1586-08 1587-13 1588-21 1588-29 1589-09 1590-18 1592-10 1592-12 1593-2 1594-14 1596-03 1596-12 1597-15 1598-10 1598/20 1600-05a/06 1600-08 1601-05 1604-12 1604-13 1604.13 1610-14 1612-18 1616-13 1624-16 1629-10 A1597-04a A1604-03 B2116 F0203 G0117 G1722 G1723 G1724 G1726 G1727 G1728 G1729 G1730 G2460 G2464 G2465 G2480 G2481 G2482 G2488 H5669 L3131 M0501 M0502 M0503 M0504 M0505 M0506 M0508 M0509 M0511 M0512 M0513 M0514 M0516 M0517 M0518 M0520 M0521 M0523 M0524 M0526 M0527 M0528 M0529 M0550 M0551 M0552 M0573 M0574 M0576 M0579 M0580 M0581 M0582 M0583 M0584 M0585 M0586 M1594-14 M1597-13 M1755 M2207 M2211 M3454 M3455 M3457 M3458 M3460 M3461 M3462 M3463 M3464 M3468 M3469 M3470 N0340 N0341 N0389 N399 O0124 P0780 P0781 P0783 P0786 P0787 P0788 P0800 S0012 S0013 V1011 V1012 V1013 V1014 V1015 V1016 V1017 V1018 V1019 V1020 V1021 V1042 V1047 V1401 V2105 W0882 W0883 W0886

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[craigsapp]

I filled in the Author column of the RISM spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YcaAQc-mxFFDWyOsT7HOlwZkEqB4rPEuOzXCMTKprMc/edit#gid=266005788

(This is a new copy of the old spreadsheet so the link is different)

When the author field was empty I included all composers listed in the settings for that RISM volume. For anthologies, you can erase and write in the volume author (or delete the name if no volume author).

Also it would be good to make the RISM ids uniform. Sometimes there is a space between the initial letter and the following numbers and sometimes not.

For example in the spreadsheet on row 76, the RISM A/I id is:

B0785

But in a search of that author, in the online RISM A/I database, it is listed as

B 785

(i.e., there is a space between the letter and the numbers, and there are no leading zeros on the numbers):

https://opac.rism.info/metaopac/search.do?methodToCall=submitButtonCall&CSId=11623N203S70993b4f69f08414737e133240431769e9272af7&methodToCallParameter=submitSearch&refine=false&View=rism&searchCategories%5B0%5D=-1&speedy=on&searchString%5B0%5D=Balsamino%2C+Simone&submitButtonCall_submitSearch=Suchen

[emilianoricciardi]

Thanks, Craig! Yes, I think we want to stick to the format given in RISM online (i.e., B 785, rather than B0785), so I'll fix these as well.

Emiliano

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 2:50 AM, Craig Stuart Sapp <notifications@github.com

wrote:

I filled in the Author column of the RISM spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YcaAQc- mxFFDWyOsT7HOlwZkEqB4rPEuOzXCMTKprMc/edit#gid=266005788

[image: screen shot 2017-04-13 at 11 39 10 pm] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/3487289/25035425/7bf60a78-20a2-11e7-8933-3589ff45e615.png

When the author field was empty I included all composers listed in the settings for that RISM volume. For anthologies, you can erase and write in the volume author (or delete the name if no volume author).

Also it would be good to make the RISM ids uniform. Sometimes there is a space between the initial letter and the following numbers and sometimes not.

For example in the spreadsheet on row 76, the RISM A/I id is:

B0785

But in a search of that author, in the online RISM A/I database, it is listed as

B 785

(i.e., there is a space between the letter and the numbers, and there are no leading zeros on the numbers):

[image: screen shot 2017-04-13 at 11 45 16 pm] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/3487289/25035608/635851aa-20a3-11e7-8f2b-a28cfebc48a6.png

https://opac.rism.info/metaopac/search.do?methodToCall=submitButtonCall& CSId=11623N203S70993b4f69f08414737e133240431769e9272af7& methodToCallParameter=submitSearch&refine=false& View=rism&searchCategories%5B0%5D=-1&speedy=on& searchString%5B0%5D=Balsamino%2C+Simone&submitButtonCall_ submitSearch=Suchen

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