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Modern Industrialization armor and sword are too powerful #428

Closed DonFlymoor closed 2 years ago

DonFlymoor commented 2 years ago

Issue

Modern Industrialization armor can protect you from any damage and the sword can one hit every single entity, except players wearing Modern Industrialization armor.

Solution

This is insanely overpowered, and either be balanced or made unobtainable. It can be balance to make it remove %80 of damage with the full set, and the sword should only deal 30 damage.

yorii commented 2 years ago

This is 100% intended and a very suitable reward for anyone with the determination required to actually finish MI. I really don't agree with this issue whatsoever. The official servers aren't for pvp anyway, so I don't get why having a one-shotting item would be of any issue. If you want to disable it on your private server it's very easy to do so.

dandin87 commented 2 years ago

uh, yeah. Whats the hours required for this? 100+? So totally worth it. The pack also isn't geared towards PVP. On our servers we have a mod for Toggling PVP, so everyone has PVP off by default but can enable it if they choose. Perhaps your server could add the same thing.

yorii commented 2 years ago

100+?

I would say more probably, it's like 100+ if you actually put a lot of effort into it, probably 200+ for a less serious player.

This, in combination with the fact that the official servers are not running a pvp environment, is what makes it balanced.

(And also that you can't cheese most bosses with it as they don't respond to what is essentially a /kill command, so it isn't even as usable as you might think.)

yorii commented 2 years ago

For comparisons sake look at a maximum enchanted netherite bow (you need to finish spectrum for the best enchantments, so it's also 100+ hours required for balance), which can:

Be used to kill every single boss in the game with very high dps (not as high as a gamer axe, but still very high). Be used to CHEESE most bosses by just flying at max range with a jetpack and killing them from afar. Also oneshot players if you have pvp enabled, but from a 1000x longer range.

It is way more powerful than the sword from MI, and possibly easier to attain.

DonFlymoor commented 2 years ago

It's not the sword that's the most overpowered, it's the armor. Being completely indestructible, even /kill can't hurt you. 99% damage removal would make more sense, so you're almost indestructible but not completely.

yorii commented 2 years ago

It's not the sword that's the most overpowered, it's the armor. Being completely indestructible, even /kill can't hurt you. 99% damage removal would make more sense, so you're almost indestructible but not completely.

I really don't see what the difference would be between 99% and 100% in terms of power level, they are almost the same, but with one you can't go afk for too long while being attacked?

DonFlymoor commented 2 years ago

%100 means you can't die. %99 percent means that a 20 damage sword will do 0.5 damage, or another MI sword can kill you.

Yoosk commented 2 years ago

%100 means you can't die. %99 percent means that a 20 damage sword will do 0.5 damage, or another MI sword can kill you.

Wrong, that's not how the quantum armor works in here. 99% would mean that you have 99% chance to avoid any and all damage, not damage reduction.

DonFlymoor commented 2 years ago

https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/png/47d118159dfd7e90693920c9bba7c81bf5d4d026 https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Armor#Mechanics

yorii commented 2 years ago

Sorry but we're not going to do that. If you want to remove it yourself you can use KubeJS to do so.