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ThatRickGuy / PGSwiss

A Swiss Pairing tournament application designed for Warmachine/Hordes events
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Add Ability to record and easily check lists #55

Closed Semiautomagic closed 6 years ago

Semiautomagic commented 10 years ago

A simple table that will tabulate the point costs ( for example we could add -5 for the caster then positive for the jacks units and solos,) This would allow, once web uploading is done, someone to check online to see what lists they played against and to make an online database of lists by player.

ThatRickGuy commented 10 years ago

I don't know if I'll go so far as setting up full list entry, but I'm toying with the idea of including casters as an optional field for registration and game reporting. I'll keep it on the todo list for now.

Semiautomagic commented 10 years ago

The great thing about the list is that many times after an event you would love to go back and look at the lists you played against.

NekuraIzou commented 10 years ago

Please do not make list entering mandatory. The last thing I want to do is have this program take a long time to enter a player. List checking/validation is a very extensive program by itself that your testing of will take a very long time to manage and keep up to date.

Semiautomagic commented 10 years ago

It should never be manditory. Nor should it validate. What it should do is give the option. For entering the data just a table with a sum at the bottom is fine. Most errors can be caught by the orginzer seeing that the list is 58 point instead of the 55 listed on the sheet. And since it is optional if you are not tracking lists it's a no brainier.

On Wednesday, July 9, 2014, NekuraIzou notifications@github.com wrote:

Please do not make list entering mandatory. The last thing I want to do is have this program take a long time to enter a player. List checking/validation is a very extensive program by itself that your testing of will take a very long time to manage and keep up to date.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/ThatRickGuy/PGSwiss/issues/55#issuecomment-48478298.

NekuraIzou commented 10 years ago

How is that any different than just adding it yourself? What time savings is this proposing?

Personally, I don't really care if lists are saved for the player. To me, that's a vast time sink for an event organizer that has many better things to do than enter lists.

Theme Forces are another concern.

Semiautomagic commented 10 years ago

The reason is one of exporting information. having that info is not usefull for the EO but the info is usefull players when the data is imported onto a website. Not everyone is just using the software for only doing the event itself my hope is that the software will allow us to better comunicate our information to the players. If I went to an event and I want to see what that skorne player who beat me round two was using for infantry this simple addition would allow that.

Again I am not saying this should be mandatory but if we hold this software up against the current software and say this should be better than features like this should be implemented.

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 10:47 AM, NekuraIzou notifications@github.com wrote:

How is that any different than just adding it yourself? What time savings is this proposing?

Personally, I don't really care if lists are saved for the player. To me, that's a vast time sink for an event organizer that has many better things to do than enter lists.

Theme Forces are another concern.

— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/ThatRickGuy/PGSwiss/issues/55#issuecomment-48481619.

NekuraIzou commented 10 years ago

I'm just stating my opinion that this isn't a useful feature to me. Have a good day.

fatzech commented 8 years ago

List validation is a massive effort and time sink. I wouldn't ask TRG to use that much of his time to validate. While it would be nice, I believe its too much to ask of someone giving their free time to take on such an effort. If we really want to list check/validate then we can use excel or google spreadsheets as alternate options that already exist so he can devote more time to other enhancements. Not trying to flame or disregard any opinions, I am just familiar with how long it this stuff takes and as I get older my free time is precious :)

As an alternative (at small events usually under 16 players) I ask people to take a few minutes to email me their lists. Its fairly easy to copy and paste from WR2 now. Then list validation is done but your mileage may vary .... it can be like wrangling cats.

ThatRickGuy commented 8 years ago

I won't likely develop my own list validation, but luckily I game with the guy that developed Conflict Chamber. For the 2.0 version I want to build out significantly more of the web platform integration so that players can submit lists to the event if the TO has it set up ahead of time, and those lists can be verified through CC.

I would love to get all that data, but as NekuraIzou mentioned, from a TO point of view, it doesn't help the event running. From a big data point of view though, there is a ton we could learn from it. So if/when it goes in, it will be completely optional.

ThatRickGuy commented 6 years ago

The Conflict Chamber integration is fully functional for list validation. Use the Conflict Chamber event system to have players pre-register. Morning of the event, from the conflict chamber site, download the event json. At the first screen of PG Swiss, click the Load from Conflict Chamber JSON button.