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5 months ago Hello @nikitarevenco. Thank you for making this issue.
I think I'm following with most of what you say here. Something I'm a bit confused about though:
Remove all additional resources except 2 and 5. Remove the assignment to read Working with Files and Directories and Pipes and Filters
Remove the assignment to read "Working with Files and Directories"? That one seems essential to me. It introduces mkdir, touch, rm, mv, etc.
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I have completed TOP up to the Node section. I've genuinely never had to use a pipe or a filter. I remember spending hours on that lessons trying to understand it / practice etc. I was extremely confused at the time. And it slowed me down from doing things that in my opinion are more important at this stage.
I don't think that these two lessons are going to be useful to learners this early on. If odin wants to go deeper into shell scripting, which is indeed very powerful - it should be introduced at a later point.
Learners don't need to understand how to pipe commands or filter stuff to go through TOP. The most complicated commands I used while doing the Odin Project were the ones listed up to and including Lesson 3. (Working with Files)
Even the assignment isn't asking learner to practice using pipes or filters.
Next: Most of the additional resources are also too complicated. We have to think about the demographic of the learners - a lot of whom have likely never have used the command line before. If learning these things isn't required, then why keep them in?
Additional Resource Item 1:
Why would learners need to know about this?
2: This is fine to leave in, imo. Covers most of the stuff covered in the first 3 lessons.
3:
I appreciate the site's utility, however if the most complex commands we are expecting learners to perform at this point are mv and ls, I don't think it's worth keeping this in.
4:
The commands listed in this 'cheatsheet' are too complicated. Cheatsheets usually require some familiarity to be comfortable, anyway. So someone completely new would understandably be completely overwhelmed.
5: This is also fine to leave in imo, goes over the relevant stuff.
6: This playlist goes into Debian, Fedora. Not really relevant to TOP, also this series goes wayy beyond and covers some sysadmin stuff which learners also don't need to know.
Total proposal:
2and5.Pipes and FiltersI think it'd be nice to introduce more CLI ideas later on in the course potentially, but not at this point. Using a terminal significantly speeds up workflow but speed isn't a concern for a learner at this stage. Like a lot of them have ever only used a graphical file manager at this point.
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Foundations
Lesson Url
https://www.theodinproject.com/lessons/foundations-command-line-basics
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Nikita Revenco
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If this issue is accepted, leaving it for first time contributors.