GLA Camouflage Upgrade is underused and extremely expensive

[ImTimK]

It costs $2000 and upgrade time is 60 seconds.

It makes Rebels Stealth when not shooting.

Proposal 1

Reduce price/buidtime.

Proposal 2

Make Hijackers stealth when moving.

[ImTimK]

Related to: https://github.com/TheSuperHackers/GeneralsGamePatch/issues/644#issuecomment-1239839941

[commy2]

30 seconds would match the research time of Anthrax Beta. $1000 seems a bit on the low side, but I suppose this upgrade only affects Rebels and Bikes as well as the Ambush ability. Incidentally, Booby Trap Attack is also $1000/30 seconds.

Note that upgrade research time is not affected by either power or door times.

[Jundiyy]

Think it can be as cheap as $800/30s. The price is the main issue, the current price mainly benefits less skilled players, I remember when I used to bunker up and wait for my level 3 rebel ambush, just to try and capture the enemy base.

Not sure about the Hijacker thing.

[ImTimK]

30 seconds would match the research time of Anthrax Beta. $1000 seems a bit on the low side, but I suppose this upgrade only affects Rebels and Bikes as well as the Ambush ability. Incidentally, Booby Trap Attack is also $1000/30 seconds.

Note that upgrade research time is not affected by either power or door times.

Nobody gets Booby Traps either, can go down aswell.

[Jundiyy]

Indeed. Is it even worth $500/10s?

[ImTimK]

Not sure about the Hijacker thing.

Would make Camouflage a cool useful upgrade, however I can see how it could potentially make Hijackers too good. If stats stay at 2000/60 would that be fair?

[Jundiyy]

2000/60 would be fair I think but I don't know if we need to give GLA such a nice thing. It's not like they are currently too weak.

[ImTimK]

If proposal 2 gets rejected, then I think $800 or 1000/30s would be fair, there are so many upgrades in the game around the same price that are so much better. To name a "few": Flashbang/tow/rocketpods/supply lines/drone armor/mig armor/subliminal messaging/scorp rocket/worker shoes/fortified structures/toxin shells/arm the mob/radar scan etc.

[MTKing4]

I think: Camo upgrade: 500@15 Booby trap: 500@15

Both are extremely expensive for what they offer, camo is good, but is still not worth more than 500 imo

[xezon]

2000/60 would be fair I think but I don't know if we need to give GLA such a nice thing. It's not like they are currently too weak.

China gets really nice things here. Please do not believe GLA needs to keep useless things.

[Jundiyy]

I didn't understand, do you mean 'don't alow GLA to keep a useless unit'? Or allow the Hijacker to become stealthed?

In case you didn't understand, I am for reducing the cost and upgrade time. Exile was talking about combining the camo with Hijacker, which I said wasn't needed. He then offered the Stealth upgrade at full price for the Hijacker, to which I replied to above, saying GLA doesn't need such a nice thing.

[xezon]

We cannot just judge by 1.04 standards. When China is stronger, then objective needs to be evaluated by Game Patch state, not 1.04 state.

[ImTimK]

China has little to do with this proposal, it was the question whether hijackers for gla deserve the same strengths as stealth (stealth while moving), but at a great price (this upgrade for 2k/60s).

[Jundiyy]

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[xezon]

The issue is there is no tangible data presented here. Just opinions.

See:

I think: Camo upgrade: 500@15 Booby trap: 500@15

I think $800 or 1000/30s would be fair

2000/60 would be fair I think but I don't know if we need to give GLA such a nice thing

[ImTimK]

I did mention a mega ton of upgrades around 800-1000 dollars that are a whole lot better than the original setup of the Camouflage upgrade (and still so if we only match the price/buildtime).

That's no opinion, these upgrades have a lot more impact on gamebalance:

If proposal 2 gets rejected, then I think $800 or 1000/30s would be fair, there are so many upgrades in the game around the same price that are so much better. To name a "few": Flashbang/tow/rocketpods/supply lines/drone armor/mig armor/subliminal messaging/scorp rocket/worker shoes/fortified structures/toxin shells/arm the mob/radar scan etc.

[Jundiyy]

Ah, that's what you mean xezon.

Exile already replied above, my reply was simply game experience for every semi and above pvp player. But yea, didn't have any written evidence as you've mentioned.

The upgrade currently costs too much and gives very little benefit, especially since it's not even accessible early game, (could benefit early capture or more use of already trained Rebels).

It will camouflage Rebels and Rebel Bikes, which is good but the cost for such a benefit does not make sense, players will usually use rebels that come from GPs, and the odd Rebel Bike to capture the enemy oil.

The price outweighs the benefit here.

[KrewGR]

I like the idea of upgrading hijackers to permanently be stealth. It would be worth the 2k and 60sec build of this is done.

You could also buff the rebel ambush GP by including hijackers in the mix

[ReLaX82]

If it will stealth hijackers, then maybe nothing needs to done on price and time.

If only what it currently does, make it 800/10s.

[xezon]

Proposal 2 heavily depends on what else we want to do with GLA Hijacker as outlined in #644.