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Community Patch to fix and improve original Generals Zero Hour 1.04
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USA Sentry Drone is immune against toxins #1203

Closed xezon closed 1 year ago

xezon commented 2 years ago

USA Sentry Drone is immune against toxins. Toxin General cannot attack it with Rebels, Tunnels and Tractors. Is this a problem?

Jundiyy commented 2 years ago

Please don't fix, will make USA super nerfed... 😂

On a more serious note, I don't think this is a problem. Each unit to their own.

ImTimK commented 2 years ago

Cool little pro I didn't even know about, but not exactly sure why?

I guess it makes it good at sneaking passed Tox Tunnels, harassing Tox Supplies (similar to Ambulances) or denying Toxin from grabbing/stealing oils? Does MG do enough damage to stop a Toxin Tractor from reaching a Garrison?

Don't see direct reason to nerf it though.

MTKing4 commented 2 years ago

Good feature, don't remove

KrewGR commented 2 years ago

Seems intentional like the ambo.

commy2 commented 2 years ago

Seems intentional like the ambo.

Why? Makes no sense. Same for Firebase. Immunity prevents units from clicking targets. E.g. Toxin Tractor/Tunnel/Rebel cannot engage at all. Even tanks and buildings other than Firebase can be clicked.

Stubbjax commented 2 years ago

The sense can be derived from the fact that a Sentry Drone has no pilot to infect.

commy2 commented 2 years ago

Neither has a Gatling turret or an empty Internet Center, or a snipped Battlemaster, all of which can be targeted by poison weapons.

Stubbjax commented 2 years ago

Yeah, unmanned units don't make as much sense. So you're simply suggesting a 1% damage modifier rather than 0% to make them at least targetable? How about the Ambulance?

commy2 commented 2 years ago

Probably 50% to match TruckArmor / Humvee. Or at least 25% to match TankArmor.

FireBase should be 1% though like any other building.

Stubbjax commented 2 years ago

Agree with Firebase. But it equally doesn't make sense that a bio weapon is affecting an unmanned vehicle.

commy2 commented 2 years ago

That's game design though. "Toxin" really is just a stand in for any sort of chemical weapon like acid. Don't think about it too much.

Stubbjax commented 2 years ago

Exactly, and I find the more interesting design is that they are resistant / immune.

ImTimK commented 2 years ago

I also think it kinda makes sense that an unmanned vehicle is resistant vs radiation or chemicals, like NASA drones on Mars are also made to be more resistant vs these kinds of treats. Shouldn't look too much into realism though.

Higher instead of full immunity would also be fine I guess? Maybe tune so that Tox Rebel does same damage as a normal Rebel.

Although I don't see the current state as being problematic. Plus it's nice to have, can this stupid drone have a some nice things atleast lol?

Jundiyy commented 2 years ago

I'd prefer to add radiation immunity than remove tox one.

ReLaX82 commented 2 years ago

I think its a bug.

xezon commented 2 years ago

Sentry Drone cannot crush infantry, so the immunity is less consequential for early Worker harassment around a Tunnel Network. And Toxin General is quite good vs USA, so maybe this immunity is ok to compensate for its stronger Toxin Tunnel vs other USA units?

xezon commented 1 year ago

Close?

xezon commented 1 year ago

We made Sentry Drone better with change

There is only one other unit that is immune against toxins, and that is the GLA Toxin Tractor.

MTKing4 commented 1 year ago

Close