Removes His Grace.

[ErwinSnowden]

About The Pull Request

Notes out His Grace and most references to it, if fulp ever changes its eyes on what it perceives as "needlessly killing", this pull request can easily be reverted.

Why It's Good For The Game

It's against the rules to use, so we can't have it in the game.

Changelog

:cl: del: His Grace has been removed. /:cl:

[SgtHunk]

Wouldn't it simply be easier to ONLY note out the uplink datum that makes it available to chap traitors? Noting out the status effects feel unnecessary IMO

[ErwinSnowden]

No, you see, it has NO PLACE on this server as it just encourages people who pick it up to go on a rampage and kill everyone, there are very clear rulings on this and His Grace has never been allowed as a weapon because of its destructive nature. The only people who would think otherwise would also think that admins only act on things they personally thought inconvenienced them, which is clearly not the case. After all, even with the objective to hijack the emergency shuttle, you're only allowed to kill people after the shuttle has been called, we can't risk such a thing ruining more rounds than it already has.

[SgtHunk]

I mean, by just noting out the uplink datum it will only be available through admin spawn, so in that case it will only be admin-only which makes it the admin's problem And I'm 99% sure this isn't even a 100% removal, there's also a module file that marks the his grace ascension Otherwise, setting it so it checks for DAGD/Hijack as objectives before making it available would work

EDIT: goddamnit looking at code in phone is harsh, it did also comment out the module file but either way, this feels like too much of a removal to what could simply be noting out I'll look to see if I can make it check for martyr/hijack as alternative

[ErwinSnowden]

I mean, by just noting out the uplink datum it will only be available through admin spawn, so in that case it will only be admin-only which makes it the admin's problem And I'm 99% sure this isn't even a 100% removal, there's also a module file that marks the his grace ascension Otherwise, setting it so it checks for DAGD/Hijack as objectives before making it available would work

It's a problematic item that is directly prohibited by our rules. The only situation where His Grace would be feasibly allowed is as a nuclear operative or someone with the objective to die a glorious death, which the latter I'm considering removing as it only allows people to murderbone everyone. If the rules change, His Grace can be added back in but until that happens, we can't have items that directly encourage people to go on murder sprees that ruin the round for everyone else.

Also, we wouldn't want an admin accidentally spawning in this item under the pre-tense that its something else, that could de-rail the entire round over a misconception.

By the way, I can't seem to find this module file that marks ascension for His Grace, if that is true, could you please link it so I can note it out in a timely manner?

[SgtHunk]

On the file aspect, it's fine. Checking commit files on phone isn rough although noting out the item + datum from the uplink would have been enough

I'm sure that admins know not to spawn items like that. Hell, it's common sense. Otherwise, it serves as a good item for bus rounds/a madlad nuke op who tc traded. Removing it like this shouldn't really be the way considering the only way to reliably get this item is being a traitor chaplain, and there is no other way apart from admin intervention. I'd say simply noting out datum should do the job, admins know better and assuming that they'll mess up by spawning the green bad murder toolbox feels like quite the null chance scenario

[ErwinSnowden]

You'd think they wouldn't consistently spawn archaic jungle megafauna capable of instantly gibbing people by going over their turf during a stun or resting period, yet they still do, clearly you haven't had adequate experience of our staff events. It's not a very descriptive path, just being "his grace", not many people know a lot about it.

[SgtHunk]

I mean, that scenario was an admin event with a neutral sentient junglefauna that only attacked if someone else did. Admins dont spawn a lot of stuff for no reason, and seeing how specific of an item His Grace is, along with the amount of mentions it gets because of its capability and overall being one of the unique traitor chap items, it would take a very specific scenario, you won't see junglefauna on a consistent basis, apart from that one bus round. noting it out from uplink datums makes it so it will have to fit the same criteria of admun intervention.

[ErwinSnowden]

Actually considering closing this and just removing Conspicious and dangerous weapons from the traitor uplink in general, of course clown operatives will still have them. They're used solely for murderbone and really contribute nothing towards the game of actual value. After all, traitors and IAAs are supposed to be sneaky, aren't they?

[SgtHunk]

Traitors choose their playstyle, IAAs are supposed to be traitor-ish and a bit sneaky. The Dangerous Weapons section holds a great amount of items, and honestly it's worth even as a non-hijack traitor because who wouldn't want a fun 30 damage sword to quickly dispose of their target.

[ErwinSnowden]

It always ends up being grab energy-bow, grab energy sword, kill 30% of the station crew before you get stunbatonned and then security powergames the traitor gear. It really has no place on fulp and to the people who don't want it, there are always other servers which have more relaxed regulations around antagonists but we're an MRP server, we should try to promote the best environment to foster roleplay.

[SgtHunk]

I mean, that sounds like a great hijack attempt/dagd. Congrats to the lad who managed to kill 30% of the crew on a 150pop server. Removing it as a whole only lessens the amount of gimmicks. Improve, don't remove. A way to do this is adding checks for kill/dagd/hijack objectives and adding availability if so.

Also, as a side note. Wind is setting up a 2nd repo, so PRs are not getting merged and will have to be moved onto the 2nd repo once it's done being set up.

[ErwinSnowden]

I mean, that sounds like a great hijack attempt/dagd. Congrats to the lad who managed to kill 30% of the crew on a 150pop server. Removing it as a whole only lessens the amount of gimmicks. Improve, don't remove. A way to do this is adding checks for kill/dagd/hijack objectives and adding availability if so.

Also, as a side note. Wind is setting up a 2nd repo, so PRs are not getting merged and will have to be moved onto the 2nd repo once it's done being set up.

This type of needless murder is only allowed after the shuttle is called. (In the case of defending murder by merit of objectives.)

Gimmicks that are against the rules frankly aren't welcome on our server and should be taken elsewhere.

[SgtHunk]

It's also allowed if it can force a shuttle call. Luring megafauna onto station is a good way to do so. Removing an entire section because "muh murderbone" is bad. Someone might want to simply buy a revolver to take out their target in 2 clean hits and nothing else. Also sleepy pen + esword is a strat, which is sneaky-ish while using an item from the section.

[ErwinSnowden]

It's also allowed if it can force a shuttle call. Luring megafauna onto station is a good way to do so. Removing an entire section because "muh murderbone" is bad. Someone might want to simply buy a revolver to take out their target in 2 clean hits and nothing else. Also sleepy pen + esword is a strat, which is sneaky-ish while using an item from the section.

That way of approaching objectives does not foster roleplay befitting of an MRP server. Ideally, a traitor should peacefully convince the crew not to take the shuttle in order for a successful hijack to take place, or the objective as a whole should be removed.

[SgtHunk]

Grudgecode moment

[ErwinSnowden]

Grudgecode moment

I've never once died to His Grace (on the opposite end), if you haven't picked it up, this was some horrible amalgam of satire about how the server is inherently not LRP and how the restriction of features based on some arbitrary notions is a poor decision especially when it's a very rare occurrence.

Though clearly this is something that the rules and staff would support as it just causes issues for them, I have plans to rework or even completely phase out weaponry from the codebase in the inevitable shift into HRP gameplay which Fulpstation clearly needs, it could also serve well to cut off from the (vehemently racist) upstream who are negatively effecting the game by fostering a level of content unbecoming for our players and our rules as a server.

[SgtHunk]

I know, I was literally there I even waited to see this PR up when you said you were gonna do it to prove a point The shift of MRP was done purely rule-wise, probably because Fulp at the time of transition didnt have the manpower in the form of coders to actually implement more regarding that (which it still doesn't, sadly, but there's a bit more than before) I mean, removing an entire item purely because you killed people after activating it when you had two steal objectives then proceeded to get hardcrit by a shocked grille because you had no insuls then getting banned over it does sound like grudgecode

[ErwinSnowden]

Something something, comment about regret

[ATH1909]

I know, I was literally there I even waited to see this PR up when you said you were gonna do it to prove a point The shift of MRP was done purely rule-wise, probably because Fulp at the time of transition didnt have the manpower in the form of coders to actually implement more regarding that (which it still doesn't, sadly, but there's a bit more than before) I mean, removing an entire item purely because you killed people after activating it when you had two steal objectives then proceeded to get hardcrit by a shocked grille because you had no insuls then getting banned over it does sound like grudgecode

To be fair, if he DIDN'T kill people with it once he had activated it, he'd have died horribly.