OrganisationType field: remove partial codelist

morchickit commented 6 years ago

I got a feedback from the Challenge Fund that publishers dont use the Recipient Org:Organisation Type field and tried to understany why the Big Lottery created the field BIGField_Organisation_Type.

I asked Katherine about it, and she said it is a codelist. Digging into the documentation, you can see that the spreadsheet format doumentations says:

Recipient Org:Organisation Type | A description of this organisation | string | False

The JSON documentation however says the following: organisationType | enum | string,null | Registered Charity Registered Company Community Group List to be updated

What does this means for version 1? Should we keep it as string, change to classification or expand this codelist?

stevieflow commented 6 years ago

Yes, understood

Agreed - it is a codelist - and very partial

I quickly added this to the example data, and got an invalid response with a value Registered Bod:

ExampleTrust-grants-fixed (2).xlsx

https://dataquality.threesixtygiving.org/data/d5b1e129-38f6-44a6-ad27-559f42e686c4

(NB - this was via uploading a spreadsheet, so think this is consistent between roll-up and JSON)

@timgdavies can recall the original design decision on this?

I guess the options are

Extend the codelist
Remove codelist, so that it is freetext

@KDuerden - I dont think anyone has used this field?

timgdavies commented 6 years ago

I believe there was early on a desire for this information in cases where no organisation identifiers were supplied. But where we have good use of organisation identifiers, then some of this can be inferred.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether to extend or remove the codelist. However, the field description probably needs to be updated, as this is not just a 'description of the organisation', but should be 'a description of the type of the organisation'.

stevieflow commented 6 years ago

Thanks @timgdavies

@morchickit @KDuerden - what do you think?

morchickit commented 6 years ago

I think if we can make it a free text filed that would be the best option, since we see that other organisations do want this field and use alternative one (like the Big Lottery).

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KDuerden commented 6 years ago

+1 for free text.

@stevieflow no one has used this field (or the Funding Org Type equivalent) because the couple of times it came up it rendered the data invalid because the values they wanted to use weren't on the list. In at least one case we just moved the text to the org description field because it is free-text. In the other that I remember we just used their own title. So this field has been basically useless!

stevieflow commented 6 years ago

OK thanks. @morchickit I've create a new project for proposals for v1.1 - and added this to it

morchickit commented 6 years ago

We should then put it forward this issue forum as well for acknowledgement. I'll do it today.

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drkane commented 6 years ago

I've put down some thoughts in the forum - free text makes sense to me.

https://forum.threesixtygiving.org/t/recipient-organisation-type-field/255/2

morchickit commented 6 years ago

@stevieflow - we have not this discussed it in the committee this week, but I suggest we should move on it and make it free text in the JSON Schema.

KDuerden commented 6 years ago

@morchickit yes please - conversation last week with publisher I had to suggest an alternative field for data they have about type of org - because this is a codelist.

stevieflow commented 5 years ago

Have created a branch for this https://github.com/ThreeSixtyGiving/standard/tree/255-OrganisationTypeList

KDuerden commented 5 years ago

What's the eta on this branch being pushed to live? There is a publisher we want to move onto using this field rather than their own field title.