Closed practicalparticipation closed 7 years ago
Semi-restricted is a new one for me. Think the only meaningful distinction would be "Restricted" or "Unrestricted" but not sure how many trusts would hold/release this information as data rather than in their grant making policy.
An unrestricted grant can be used by the recipient for any purpose (and if they are a charity for any activity in pursuit of their charitable objectives) while a restricted grant can only be used for a specific purpose (often requiring unspent funds to be returned).
These originate from trust law, which is fairly arcane, and often misunderstood - even by the accountants and local authority funders who should know better e.g. you see contractual income being recorded as restricted funds in accounts
Charities can create "designated funds" which show that a fund is being held for a specific purpose - e.g. for a new building, but these are unrestricted funds and can be undesignated
"Restricted", "Unrestricted", works for me. Suraj @ Forward Foundation
I observed (#53) via the Wellcome Trust data that Grant type
was used to describe various internal programmes / categories , so consideration would be needed in terms of making this field clear in terms of intended usage
Would a simple boolean flag here for 'Restricted income' make sense for the meaning we want for 'Award Type'?
And then other things can belong in classifications.
@practicalparticipation That can work.
Re: 'Award Type': For Beehive we are interested in both grants and social investments as a single funder can often provide both. I'm new to the world of social finance - do you think a social investment would fit into 'Restricted income', or something else? Do you think the standard will be able to support social investments as well as grants?
I believe we can capture social investments, though I suspect inferring investment from a boolean flag for restricted might not make sense.
We could go back to the idea of a codelist here, and have:
Thoughts?
Could two boolean fields work? Just puzzling over if the restrictedness of a grant/investment is conceptually different from it's repay-ability (is that a word)?
Restricted? | Repayable? | |
---|---|---|
Grant | T | F |
Grant | F | F |
Investment | T | T |
Investment | F | T |
I'd advise against introducing any social investment fields into the 360giving standard at this stage. We've just not done the research required, and I think we'd just risk confusing the core of users who are just making grants.
The booleans above don't work - restricted grants are usually repayable.
To do social investment justice we'd have to consider and understand a whole range of instruments from bonds, social impact bonds, loans, equity deals, for some people performance related contracts are also a social investment. And we'd also have to think about how to capture interest rates, terms, etc.
There are currently very few social investments being made, partly because the complexity of them makes them really expensive to make and receive. To put it into context EngagedX have spent about 4 years developing a data standard to record social investments, and when I met them last summer they had collected data about fewer than 50 investment deals.
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Could two boolean fields work? Just puzzling over if the restrictedness http://www.fit4funding.org.uk/support-pages/when-you-receive-funding/restricted-funding/ of a grant/investment is conceptually different from it's repay-ability (is that a word)? Restricted? Repayable? Grant T F Grant F F Investment T T Investment FT
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Thanks @prbass, makes sense. I'm meeting with a number of social investors to feed into our R&D and will feedback anything relevant.
@practicalparticipation The codelist works for us.
Similar discussion about type was in program type in #188
We do have a field name funding type - http://standard.threesixtygiving.org/en/latest/reference/#funding-type Are we referring to the same thing?
Action here is to decide whether this is about
awardType
), which id different from fundingType
Created topic in the forum here. https://forum.threesixtygiving.org/t/award-type-field/21 Closing this. Please comment on the forum.
Forward Foundation have suggested including an 'Award Type' classification against grants, to indicate:
This could be introduced as a form of classification - although we would need to identify how easy it would be for funders to provide this information.