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TiddlyWiki Classic (not to be confused with TiddlyWiki5: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5)
https://classic.tiddlywiki.com/
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Advanced Saving options needs refactor #248

Closed markkerrigan closed 4 years ago

markkerrigan commented 4 years ago

Continuing from discussion here #247 , there are several methods of savings which are in some ways outside the standard model (file in Downloads folder + Browser plugin_ for saving with TWC. For example

This should mainly focus on non-serverside methods. If there are any other methods that fall into this category they should be listed here. Also should re-written to de-emphasize the jar saver due to changes made to Java #153

Note: With more recent versions of TWC, if no saving mechanism is configured, when you press the save changes button, the browser will prompt you to download a copy of the tiddlywiki file. Yet this improved functionality is not detailed other than a brief mention in WhatsNew.

markkerrigan commented 4 years ago

Clarifying this is actually addressing Advanced download options

YakovL commented 4 years ago

Hi Mark, honestly, I'm quite puzzled by this issue. What I understand is

I didn't get what's the connection of TiddlyFox/TiddlySaver/download fallback to [[Advanced download options]]. It seems you actually address several issues at a time, could you list those and clarify a bit?

markkerrigan commented 4 years ago

I think the concept of what is an "advanced download" is not made very clear in this tiddler.

When you click on the download button, the website will detect your browser and operating system, and trigger a download for either an empty TiddlyWiki file or, if you're running Safari or Opera, a zip file which also includes the TiddlySaver file. This is version 2.9.2 of TiddlyWiki.

Does it really? Also it doesn't matter anymore if the website (classic.tiddlywiki.com) is detecting your browser and deciding whether or not to include TiddlySaver.jar. Ultimately the download button should not distribute the TiddlySaver.jar file anymore, since it's not officially supported.

Advanced users may find these download options helpful (right click the link and select "Save as" to download):

An empty TiddlyWiki file A zip file containing an empty TiddlyWiki file plus a TiddlySaver file A copy of this website (TiddlyWiki.com) minus images The TiddlySaver.jar file on its own

This is actually what people come to download.

Finally, these links may be useful:

Downloading instructions for the main browsers A list of supported Browsers Archive of older versions of TiddlyWiki in the archive

Downloading instructions for the main browsers all show screenshots for how to enable saving using the TiddlySaver.jar file, making that line irrelevant. The line with the link to the supported Browsers is somewhat outdated. The Archive of older versions is relevant.

[[Advanced download options]] mention TiddlySaver which may be made less prominent (how?) WhatsNew should mention the ability to save without saver (download saving)

I will create a draft for this new tiddler. I also think it would be helpful to provide a clear step by step tiddler with screenshots showing how to use Download saving. Contrary to popular belief, I actually think Download saving is not too difficult to use on a regular basis, but because AutoSave is not enabled by default on a regular TW file, the user must know they have to manually click save changes. Hopefully this makes it all clear.