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Replace upper belt sliding surface #70

Closed petebachant closed 8 years ago

petebachant commented 8 years ago

From #65. The UHMW tape is worn out in some areas, which is causing the belt to make a lot of noise during towing. The wear is probably related to the fact that in some spots the tensioning clamp bracket rubs a little (#69 would probably address this). I am going to get a quote on a thicker continuous UHMW strip for the upper sliding surface. This should last quite a while longer, though we may need to install it with sheet metal screws if we can't get adhesive-backed strips that thick.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

cc @wosnik @iangagnon

Here's a closeup of the timing belt housing cross-section. The part that needs to be replaced is a 0.020" thick piece of adhesive-backed UHMW plastic film:

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The tape is nominally 1245.5" (103.79 ft) long 4.75" wide, and the gap is designed to be 0.133" tall. We could probably step up to 0.060" thick strips or so. The width of the housing is 5.160", so we could go up to 5" or so wide on the new UHMW, though it's not necessary that it be wide.

The original pieces (there is a lower strip as well) cost $537.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

Could get a quote from these guys: http://www.eplastics.com/slick_strips

petebachant commented 8 years ago

Steps to perform the repair:

  1. Ensure the tow tank motion control cabinet is powered-off.
  2. Remove all outer timing belt housing pieces. In the picture above, these are the aluminum angle sections (one is polycarbonate, as the wavemaker end) in the upper right. Note that it will be easiest to keep these in order, despite being theoretically identical.
  3. Release belt tension. See https://marine.unh.edu/oelab/wiki/doku.php?id=tow_tank:maintenance:procedures#setting_drive_belt_preload
  4. Remove timing belt tensioning clamp ends and move the belt out of the way of the upper sliding surface.
  5. Remove timing belt tensioning bracket from carriage via the four 1/4-20 hex bolts.
  6. Peel off old UHMW film.
  7. Clean surface with mineral spirits or acetone.
  8. Apply new UHMW film. This usually comes with pressure sensitive adhesive so adequate pressure will need to be applied. I used a small plastic roller the first time.
  9. Re-install belt tensioning bracket at the carriage. Care should be taken to ensure the bracket is parallel with the carriage path.
  10. Re-install belt tensioning clamps in the bracket and set preload according to https://marine.unh.edu/oelab/wiki/doku.php?id=tow_tank:maintenance:procedures#setting_drive_belt_preload
  11. Re-install timing belt housing pieces.
  12. Test to ensure the belt resonance is gone.
petebachant commented 8 years ago

Another Idea I had a while back was to put small ball bearings on the tensioning clamps or their mounting bracket to keep them from rubbing on the sliding surface as well, which is likely a cause of some, if not all of the wear.

Maybe something like this:

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These could be mounted with low profile shoulder screws:

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petebachant commented 8 years ago

I'm going to put together a drawing for this with part numbers on it. We will still need a quote for the UHMW though.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

I can't seem to find the name of the manufacturer I bought the first rolls from--just the price. I think the ePlastics guys will make custom rolls though.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

From @jcahern:

these guys will do 108' long roll, 5" width, 0.022" thick including acrylic adhesive for $436. sound good? they do 30 and 60mil but not in a length long enough. they have it in stock so I can have it here next week.

http://catalog.cshyde.com/category/ategories-tapes-with-adhesive-uhmw-tapes-1

With a 5" wide tape, the new rolling ball bearings will be rolling on the tape--not sure if that's a good or a bad thing! It's probably okay.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

@jcahern, Do you want to try to get a quote from eplastics? I have a feeling they can do 4.75" wide, 0.060" thick, and the proper length if we ask.

jcahern commented 8 years ago

prob worth avoiding.

On 2/9/2016 4:21 PM, Pete Bachant wrote:

From @jcahern https://github.com/jcahern:

these guys will do 108' long roll, 5" width, 0.022" thick
including acrylic adhesive for $436. sound good? they do 30 and
60mil but not in a length long enough. they have it in stock so I
can have it here next week.

http://catalog.cshyde.com/category/ategories-tapes-with-adhesive-uhmw-tapes-1

With a 5" wide tape, the new rolling ball bearings will be rolling on the tape--not sure if that's a good or a bad thing! It's probably okay.

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petebachant commented 8 years ago

Here's a drawing I whipped up for my proposed modifications: https://docs.google.com/uc?id=0BwMVIAlxIxfZdkFTS19fbjRxWGs

jcahern commented 8 years ago

do you think the bearings should be spring loaded so when they do contact the rail there's some shock absorption? maybe just some kind of polymer wheel?

On 2/9/2016 7:58 PM, Pete Bachant wrote:

Here's a drawing I whipped up for my proposed modifications:

Belt tensioner mods.PDF https://github.com/UNH-OE/wave-tow-tank/files/124050/Belt.tensioner.mods.PDF

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petebachant commented 8 years ago

I can't find any wheels small enough to fit in such a tight spot, and the plastic bearings I've seen are pretty low capacity and unsealed. The 6 x 6 beam that the tensioner mounts to actually does act like a spring as it twists, which is why I had to add the tie rod that connects the carriage face to the large I-beam. I actually think going with the bearings but getting the 5" wide tape would be optimal, so the wheels ride on a plastic surface. Let me know what you think.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

And here's a snapshot of the rev 0 drawing for the sake of posterity:

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jcahern commented 8 years ago

cool, sounds good. I'll keep looking for 0.060" thickness but if I can't I'll just go with 0.020. it can just be a maintenance item. but if the tensioner scuffing problem is fixed 0.020 should last longer anyway. thanks for doing all this work, makes my job easy.

On 2/10/2016 8:34 AM, Pete Bachant wrote:

I can't find any wheels small enough to fit in such a tight spot, and the plastic bearings I've seen are pretty low capacity and unsealed. The 6 x 6 beam that the tensioner mounts to actually does act like a spring as it twists, which is why I had to add the tie rod that connects the carriage face to the large I-beam. I actually think going with the bearings but getting the 5" wide tape would be optimal, so the wheels ride on a plastic surface. Let me know what you think.

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petebachant commented 8 years ago

Yeah, it will probably be fine. I think the tank got used a bit more often and at higher loads in my experiments than it will in the future.

That reminds me: I just migrated over a rough draft of the maintenance schedules we were attempting to establish for the tank. Feel free to edit if you have any ideas: https://github.com/UNH-OE/wave-tow-tank/wiki/Maintenance-schedule.

jcahern commented 8 years ago

does github have a messaging service?

On 2/10/2016 8:55 AM, Pete Bachant wrote:

Yeah, it will probably be fine. I think the tank got used a bit more often and at higher loads in my experiments than it will in the future.

That reminds me: I just migrated over a rough draft of the maintenance schedules we were attempting to establish for the tank. Feel free to edit if you have any ideas: https://github.com/UNH-OE/wave-tow-tank/wiki/Maintenance-schedule

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petebachant commented 8 years ago

Only via specific issues in the public issue tracker. We could create a Slack team for the lab for other messaging purposes.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

@jcahern how did this go? I haven't been in the lab for a while. Is this issue ready to be closed?

petebachant commented 8 years ago

Also a reminder to update the tow system status after this is finished: https://github.com/UNH-OE/wave-tow-tank/wiki

jcahern commented 8 years ago

i think so. covers are still off if you want to take a look. i don't see any issues. it was in use last week but at slow speed. the side of the flange towards the wave generator bends down and contacts the rail.
but it is covered with uhmw tape so there's not much friction.

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@jcahern https://github.com/jcahern how did this go? I haven't been in the lab for a while. Is this issue ready to be closed?

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petebachant commented 8 years ago

After tightening the button head screws for the tensioning clamps, did you give the large tensioning clamp nuts an extra quarter turn or so? That arches the ends of the plate up so they won't contact the sliding surface.

When do you think the timing belt guards will be back on? I will try to stop in before and take a look.

jcahern commented 8 years ago

I'll give that a shot. I wanted to retension after use anyway.

guards can go back on whenever. prob this week.

On 3/14/2016 10:22 AM, Pete Bachant wrote:

After tightening the button head screws for the tensioning clamps, did you give the large tensioning clamp nuts an extra quarter turn or so? That arches the ends of the plate up so they won't contact the sliding surface.

When do you think the timing belt guards will be back on? I will try to stop in before and take a look.

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jcahern commented 8 years ago

pete,

let me know when you inspect the tank and i'll put the covers back on.

On 3/14/2016 10:22 AM, Pete Bachant wrote:

After tightening the button head screws for the tensioning clamps, did you give the large tensioning clamp nuts an extra quarter turn or so? That arches the ends of the plate up so they won't contact the sliding surface.

When do you think the timing belt guards will be back on? I will try to stop in before and take a look.

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petebachant commented 8 years ago

Sounds good. I probably won't make it over there until Friday afternoon/evening though. Lots of thesis writing!

jcahern commented 8 years ago

good luck. I'll leave it off.

On 3/15/2016 10:41 AM, Pete Bachant wrote:

Sounds good. I probably won't make it over there until Friday afternoon/evening though. Lots of thesis writing!

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wosnik commented 8 years ago

Qualitative observation: At low speeds (~0.2-0.3 m/s) the belt/carriage runs much quieter that it used to.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

I just got a chance to check out the repair and it looks like you guys did a great job. I did adjust one thing though. After tightening the button head screws on the tensioning clamps, I tightened the large ~23 mm nuts about an extra half turn so the plate is somewhat concave, so the ends don't touch:

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I did a little testing with the system and the "belt slap" is definitely gone. I'd say it's ready to go all back together, then we can close this issue and set the tow system status back to operational!

Oh, and also, the controller cabinet was on when I got here. Not sure if that was intentional, but I shut it off just in case, since the onboard cabinet was off anyway.

jcahern commented 8 years ago

Perfect. Thanks Pete.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

May want to do some more thorough testing, but since the surface is replaced, I'm going to close this issue and update the status.

petebachant commented 8 years ago

Also added an item to the table at https://github.com/UNH-OE/wave-tow-tank/wiki/Maintenance,-repairs,-changes.