Thanks, everyone! I had seen that contactPoint used the vCard format as Torrin mentioned but hadn’t been able to figure out if we could use that in any way.
It sounds like more discussion is needed before we have a way to communicate ORCID information to Data.gov. Is that correct? If so, what’s the best way to move that process forward?
Best,
Max Felsher
Consultant, CGI Federal
From: Philip Ashlock - TAA [mailto:philip.ashlock@gsa.gov]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:50 PM
To: Hultgren, Torrin
Cc: Greene, Ana; Hyon Kim - TAA; Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal); DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla, Alex; Pierson, Suzanne
Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
+1 to everything Torrin said.
It looks like others have also been looking at incorporating ORCID into DCAT (e.g. within the EU's DCAT Application Profile) so we can try to sync up more with those folks. I have another thread on the general topic of better alignment with the EU's DCAT-AP which I can loop you in on if you'd like. The main document I found is this one https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/SDSVoc16_paper_27.pdf but it mostly raises the issue of incorporating ORCID and other identifiers with DCAT and provides some high level recommendations for using those ID systems. I haven't seen a specific example of it being used but if there's other precedent for it being used within foaf or vCard I'd imagine we'd want to do the same. Then separate from achieving some consensus on how to extend our current DCAT profile (AKA Project Open Data Metadata Schema v1.1) to incorporate this, we'd need to make sure we're capturing that on the Data.gov metadata harvest and incorporate it in the HTML template in a meaningful and useful way.
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Hultgren, Torrin Hultgren.Torrin@epa.gov wrote:
While the Project Open Data schema doesn’t explicitly define additional elements in the contactPoint element, it does specify that contactPoint is of type:vCard, and the vCard schema contains UID, which seems like it would be a reasonable fit for the ORCID. The Project Open Data schema is extensible, which means EPA could probably add that element independently without breaking harvesting if simply storing the data was an intrinsic goal, but EPA researchers would really be interested in seeing those ORCID links appear in their data.gov listings, which would require more official implementation on the data.gov side. I have very little knowledge about how widespread adoption of ORCID is and whether EPA is alone or part of a broader federal research community in using these identifiers. I suspect Data.gov folks would need to reach out to other stakeholders to determine applicability.
Subject: RE: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Hi guys,
I’m looking Torrin in on this conversation to get his thoughts.
Thanks,
Ana Greene, M.S., PMP
Environmental Dataset Gateway (EDG) Program Manager
Office of Environmental Information (OEI)
Office of Information Management (OIM)
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
(o): 202-566-2132
(c): 571-232-7860
Greene.Ana@epa.gov
https://edg.epa.gov/
Are there some specifics on what the requirements are?
There hasn't been much discussion about an update to the Project Open Data metadata schema but it sounds like we (meaning GSA and OMB) should learn more about this.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Greene, Ana Greene.ana@epa.gov wrote:
Hi Hyon,
Max is the developer for a metadata catalog, SceinceHUB, which feeds EDG metadata from one of our Program Offices (Office of Research and Development). It collects the metadata for datasets from scientific research publications. We expect that ScienceHUB’s requirements will soon be common across EPA as we work towards fulfilling the requirements set forth in the Holdren memo. These are requirements that may also be shared by other Agencies that are heavy in scientific research data.
Thanks,
Ana Greene, M.S., PMP
Environmental Dataset Gateway (EDG) Program Manager
Office of Environmental Information (OEI)
Office of Information Management (OIM)
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
(o): 202-566-2132
(c): 571-232-7860
Greene.Ana@epa.gov
https://edg.epa.gov/
Yes, we've looked through the schema and haven't found anything that quite seems compatible. Certainly nothing that we'd be sure Data.gov would present to users.
Max
From: Hyon Kim - TAA [hyon.kim@gsa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:09 PM
To: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal)
Cc: DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Ana Greene
Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Are you already familiar with Project Open Data, and at section 2-4 the metadata schema?
If not take a look to see if there's something in the schema that could accommodate it or whether what would be required is an update to the schema.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com wrote:
We were wondering if there was already a way to provide this information so it was presented on Data.gov or if there were any plans to do so. If not, I suppose the next question would be if there was any interest in creating such a way.
Max
From: Hyon Kim - TAA [hyon.kim@gsa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:34 PM
To: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal)
Cc: DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Ana Greene
Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
so the question is whether we would add a new field to the current metadata schema?
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com wrote:
Sorry for the confusion. ORCID is a system for providing a digital identifier for an individual researcher. See https://orcid.org/
Best,
Max
From: Hyon Kim - TAA [hyon.kim@gsa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:55 PM
To: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal)
Cc: DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Ana Greene
Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Can you explain what ORCID is?
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com wrote:
Thanks, Hyon. Our metadata is already passed through by EPA's enterprise data inventory to Data.gov. Our question is specifically about what fields (if any) could be used to have ORCID information displayed on Data.gov, which I think would be on your end.
Best,
Max
From: Hyon [hyon.kim@gsa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:49 PM
To: DataGov
Cc: Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal); Ana Greene
Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Hi--if you are trying to get metadata for a dataset included in the EPA's enterprise data inventory (which is then harvested by the Data.gov catalog), that happens at the agency level. Including your open data lead Ana Greene--she should be able to help.
Thanks!
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 1:10:34 PM UTC-4, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) wrote:
Hi,
I'm a developer working with the EPA's Office of Research and Development to provide metadata that ends up being sent to Data.gov using the Project Open Data schema. We are currently attempting to include ORCID in our workflow so that our researchers can be properly associated with the data they produced. Is there any way for us to provide ORCID information about our researchers so that it would be accessible through Data.gov, or are there any plans for such functionality in the future? I didn't see any field in the Project Open Data schema that would clearly capture such information.
Thanks for any help you can provide! I've CCed other members of our development team as well as the person leading the overall project so they can stay in the loop.
Best,
Max Felsher
Consultant, CGI Federal
(Contractor to Office of Research and Development, Environmental Protection Agency)
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From @torrin47 on May 8, 2017 23:58
Add UID from vCard to includ ORCID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard https://project-open-data.cio.gov/v1.1/schema/#contactPoint
Also follow NOAA guidance on using ORCID in ISO:
https://geo-ide.noaa.gov/wiki/index.php?title=ISO_Researcher_ID
Further Discussion below.
From: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) [mailto:maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 12:20 PM To: Philip Ashlock - TAA philip.ashlock@gsa.gov; Hultgren, Torrin Hultgren.Torrin@epa.gov Cc: Greene, Ana Greene.ana@epa.gov; Hyon Kim - TAA hyon.kim@gsa.gov; DataGov datagov@gsa.gov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal) edward.campbell@cgifederal.com; Lewis, John E (CGI Federal) john.e.lewis@cgifederal.com; Sun, Tian (CGI Federal) tian.sun@cgifederal.com; Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal) tyler.walker@cgifederal.com; Montilla, Alex Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Pierson, Suzanne Pierson.Suzanne@epa.gov Subject: RE: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Thanks, everyone! I had seen that contactPoint used the vCard format as Torrin mentioned but hadn’t been able to figure out if we could use that in any way.
It sounds like more discussion is needed before we have a way to communicate ORCID information to Data.gov. Is that correct? If so, what’s the best way to move that process forward?
Best, Max Felsher Consultant, CGI Federal
From: Philip Ashlock - TAA [mailto:philip.ashlock@gsa.gov] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 7:50 PM To: Hultgren, Torrin Cc: Greene, Ana; Hyon Kim - TAA; Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal); DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla, Alex; Pierson, Suzanne Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
+1 to everything Torrin said.
It looks like others have also been looking at incorporating ORCID into DCAT (e.g. within the EU's DCAT Application Profile) so we can try to sync up more with those folks. I have another thread on the general topic of better alignment with the EU's DCAT-AP which I can loop you in on if you'd like. The main document I found is this one https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/SDSVoc16_paper_27.pdf but it mostly raises the issue of incorporating ORCID and other identifiers with DCAT and provides some high level recommendations for using those ID systems. I haven't seen a specific example of it being used but if there's other precedent for it being used within foaf or vCard I'd imagine we'd want to do the same. Then separate from achieving some consensus on how to extend our current DCAT profile (AKA Project Open Data Metadata Schema v1.1) to incorporate this, we'd need to make sure we're capturing that on the Data.gov metadata harvest and incorporate it in the HTML template in a meaningful and useful way.
As an aside, that document also mentions that GeoDCAT-AP has supposedly achieved a comprehensive mapping from ISO 19115:2003 to DCAT-AP and we should probably try to compare that with the mappings that we'd developed at https://project-open-data.cio.gov/v1.1/metadata-resources/#crosswalks-for-geospatial-metadata
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Hultgren, Torrin Hultgren.Torrin@epa.gov wrote: While the Project Open Data schema doesn’t explicitly define additional elements in the contactPoint element, it does specify that contactPoint is of type:vCard, and the vCard schema contains UID, which seems like it would be a reasonable fit for the ORCID. The Project Open Data schema is extensible, which means EPA could probably add that element independently without breaking harvesting if simply storing the data was an intrinsic goal, but EPA researchers would really be interested in seeing those ORCID links appear in their data.gov listings, which would require more official implementation on the data.gov side. I have very little knowledge about how widespread adoption of ORCID is and whether EPA is alone or part of a broader federal research community in using these identifiers. I suspect Data.gov folks would need to reach out to other stakeholders to determine applicability.
Torrin
From: Greene, Ana Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:15 PM To: Hyon Kim - TAA hyon.kim@gsa.gov Cc: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com; DataGov datagov@gsa.gov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal) edward.campbell@cgifederal.com; Lewis, John E (CGI Federal) john.e.lewis@cgifederal.com; Sun, Tian (CGI Federal) tian.sun@cgifederal.com; Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal) tyler.walker@cgifederal.com; Montilla, Alex Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Hultgren, Torrin Hultgren.Torrin@epa.gov; Pierson, Suzanne Pierson.Suzanne@epa.gov
Subject: RE: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Hi guys, I’m looking Torrin in on this conversation to get his thoughts.
Thanks,
Ana Greene, M.S., PMP Environmental Dataset Gateway (EDG) Program Manager Office of Environmental Information (OEI) Office of Information Management (OIM) U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (o): 202-566-2132 (c): 571-232-7860 Greene.Ana@epa.gov https://edg.epa.gov/
From: Hyon Kim - TAA [mailto:hyon.kim@gsa.gov] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:01 PM To: Greene, Ana Greene.ana@epa.gov Cc: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com; DataGov datagov@gsa.gov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal) edward.campbell@cgifederal.com; Lewis, John E (CGI Federal) john.e.lewis@cgifederal.com; Sun, Tian (CGI Federal) tian.sun@cgifederal.com; Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal) tyler.walker@cgifederal.com; Montilla, Alex Montilla.Alex@epa.gov Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Are there some specifics on what the requirements are?
There hasn't been much discussion about an update to the Project Open Data metadata schema but it sounds like we (meaning GSA and OMB) should learn more about this.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 4:20 PM, Greene, Ana Greene.ana@epa.gov wrote: Hi Hyon, Max is the developer for a metadata catalog, SceinceHUB, which feeds EDG metadata from one of our Program Offices (Office of Research and Development). It collects the metadata for datasets from scientific research publications. We expect that ScienceHUB’s requirements will soon be common across EPA as we work towards fulfilling the requirements set forth in the Holdren memo. These are requirements that may also be shared by other Agencies that are heavy in scientific research data.
Thanks,
Ana Greene, M.S., PMP Environmental Dataset Gateway (EDG) Program Manager Office of Environmental Information (OEI) Office of Information Management (OIM) U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (o): 202-566-2132 (c): 571-232-7860 Greene.Ana@epa.gov https://edg.epa.gov/
From: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) [mailto:maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:20 PM To: Hyon Kim - TAA hyon.kim@gsa.gov Cc: DataGov datagov@gsa.gov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal) edward.campbell@cgifederal.com; Lewis, John E (CGI Federal) john.e.lewis@cgifederal.com; Sun, Tian (CGI Federal) tian.sun@cgifederal.com; Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal) tyler.walker@cgifederal.com; Montilla, Alex Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Greene, Ana Greene.ana@epa.gov Subject: RE: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Yes, we've looked through the schema and haven't found anything that quite seems compatible. Certainly nothing that we'd be sure Data.gov would present to users.
Max
From: Hyon Kim - TAA [hyon.kim@gsa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:09 PM To: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) Cc: DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Ana Greene Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov? Are you already familiar with Project Open Data, and at section 2-4 the metadata schema?
https://project-open-data.cio.gov/
https://project-open-data.cio.gov/v1.1/schema/
If not take a look to see if there's something in the schema that could accommodate it or whether what would be required is an update to the schema.
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com wrote: We were wondering if there was already a way to provide this information so it was presented on Data.gov or if there were any plans to do so. If not, I suppose the next question would be if there was any interest in creating such a way.
Max
From: Hyon Kim - TAA [hyon.kim@gsa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 2:34 PM
To: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) Cc: DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Ana Greene Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
so the question is whether we would add a new field to the current metadata schema?
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com wrote: Sorry for the confusion. ORCID is a system for providing a digital identifier for an individual researcher. See https://orcid.org/
Best, Max
From: Hyon Kim - TAA [hyon.kim@gsa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:55 PM To: Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) Cc: DataGov; Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Ana Greene
Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov?
Can you explain what ORCID is?
On Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) maxwell.felsher@cgifederal.com wrote: Thanks, Hyon. Our metadata is already passed through by EPA's enterprise data inventory to Data.gov. Our question is specifically about what fields (if any) could be used to have ORCID information displayed on Data.gov, which I think would be on your end.
Best, Max
From: Hyon [hyon.kim@gsa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 1:49 PM To: DataGov Cc: Campbell, Edward P (CGI Federal); Lewis, John E (CGI Federal); Sun, Tian (CGI Federal); Walker, Tyler (CGI Federal); Montilla.Alex@epa.gov; Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal); Ana Greene Subject: Re: Any way to incorporate ORCID into metadata provided to Data.gov? Hi--if you are trying to get metadata for a dataset included in the EPA's enterprise data inventory (which is then harvested by the Data.gov catalog), that happens at the agency level. Including your open data lead Ana Greene--she should be able to help.
Thanks!
On Tuesday, March 14, 2017 at 1:10:34 PM UTC-4, Felsher, Maxwell (CGI Federal) wrote: Hi,
I'm a developer working with the EPA's Office of Research and Development to provide metadata that ends up being sent to Data.gov using the Project Open Data schema. We are currently attempting to include ORCID in our workflow so that our researchers can be properly associated with the data they produced. Is there any way for us to provide ORCID information about our researchers so that it would be accessible through Data.gov, or are there any plans for such functionality in the future? I didn't see any field in the Project Open Data schema that would clearly capture such information.
Thanks for any help you can provide! I've CCed other members of our development team as well as the person leading the overall project so they can stay in the loop.
Best, Max Felsher Consultant, CGI Federal (Contractor to Office of Research and Development, Environmental Protection Agency)
_Copied from original issue: Innovate-Inc/EDGmetadata#108