Closed BrittanGolden closed 4 years ago
BrittanGolden
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4 years ago Oh, when you rotate any object and try to scale from it actual axis it skews the part in a diagonal angle instead of its original plane of axis. You should be able to rotate any object at any time and scale it without it turning into a parallelogram Trapezoid monstrosity haha.
Ghostkeeper
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4 years ago Oh, when you rotate any object and try to scale from it actual axis it skews the part in a diagonal angle instead of its original plane of axis. You should be able to rotate any object at any time and scale it without it turning into a parallelogram Trapezoid monstrosity haha.
Ah, this is a duplicate of https://github.com/Ultimaker/Cura/issues/4136.
Ghostkeeper
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4 years ago For future reference, it helps a lot to
BrittanGolden
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4 years ago I’m glad it’s a previously spoken issue. However your ref is from a something posted about 3.4.1
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4 years ago I understood what you meant with the last one. Sorry, I picked that one out as an excuse.
I don't know what you meant with numbering the build plate. There's only one build plate in Cura, so I can call the build plate number 42 but that won't help. Maybe you meant there to be some sort of number in the screen that changes every time you switch printers so you can identify the printer. Maybe you meant us to mark the 3D models of the build plates (for printers that have them). Maybe you meant us to show a number that increments every time you clear the build volume as to indicate a print. Maybe you meant us to actually 3D-print either of these numbers instead of displaying them in the interface.
I understand that duplicating the support blockers (void boxes?) may turn them into normal cubes, though I think that's a bug rather than a feature request since duplicating an object should also duplicate all of its per-object settings. I don't know what you meant with "to take advantage of your angle degree scale to change the support dynamic" or what this all has to do with the process of rescaling your model.
I don't understand what you meant with the last and very important thing either. If you scale an object there should be no change in its rotation. The scale has no direction unless you scale non-uniformly. The scale doesn't "continue" with anything as far as I know. I don't understand what you meant with that either.
We have a bug template and a new feature template for this reason, and it says that we'll close the issue if you don't fill it in. I'm normally quite lenient with that but I really had to use that disclaimer now, sorry.
The issue I linked to is indeed still not fixed. Opening new issues about it will be closed as a duplicate as long as it is not fixed. There is no time-out.
BrittanGolden
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4 years ago Okay, so when you rotate and object. The X Y and Z axis stays true to the original loaded model. So if I spin it on it’s center axis the opposite axis should follow with the model. As it is right now if I rotate a model 90’degrees it now is off axis and I can change any other axis with out it going at an angle because the model moves but the rotation axis doesn’t. For instance if I’m trying to make that Sith acolyte model stay in the build plate I would put it at a 45 and then rotate it up or down to achieve the desired angle of approach for less overhangs and fitting reasons. I instead have to rotate the model off the build play first making it “non printable” then rotate it to the 45 but disabling snap rotation I have to go back and forth to level it over and over again because the model loses the planes once it’s rotated.
With that being said, the scale feature does the same thing.. if you scale the Z or X or Y then rotate it.. the program still scales at the original angle.. making weird disproportionate angles that are just silly lol.
Also, being this is likely the only actually feature request.. on the build plate it’s just empty squares. I make per person size items for people weekly. If I could make a arm plate or a helmet/Mask having tiny numbers showing the length and with from X to Y like a graph would make my life SOOOO much easier. As for the programming you can just ad the feature and make the scale of the numbers infinant so no matter what build volume is introduced to it such as a CR-10S or an Ender 3 it would have the numbers of the X and Y by the color they are indicated by from the home area and just make it a toggle feature. So then I can literally just look right at it and know exactly by the number how big it is. Instead of NS ing to painfully count little white squares from one side of the model to the other.
Apologies for my rudeness and short nature in the last email. REALLY NICE to have someone who actually took the time to get back with me.
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I understood what you meant with the last one. Sorry, I picked that one out.
I don't know what you meant with numbering the build plate. There's only one build plate in Cura, so I can call the build plate number 42 but that won't help. Maybe you meant there to be some sort of number in the screen that changes every time you switch printers so you can identify the printer. Maybe you meant us to mark the 3D models of the build plates (for printers that have them). Maybe you meant us to show a number that increments every time you clear the build volume as to indicate a print. Maybe you meant us to actually print either of these numbers instead of displaying them in the interface.
I understand that duplicating the support blockers (void boxes?) may turn them into normal cubes, though I think that's a bug rather than a feature request since duplicating an object should also duplicate all of its per-object settings. I don't know what you meant with "to take advantage of your angle degree scale to change the support dynamic" or what this all has to do with the process of rescaling your model.
I don't understand what you meant with the last and very important thing either. If you scale an object there should be no change in its rotation. The scale has no direction unless you scale non-uniformly. The scale doesn't "continue" with anything as far as I know. I don't understand what you meant with that either.
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BrittanGolden
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4 years ago Side note. I’m aware the scale of the model is on the left side. The issue is, not all models can be printed as One whole piece. Perfect example, I was commissioned to make a 24 inch long Imperial Star destroyer. The only way is to sink it 2/3rds of the way into my build platform and multiply the model then invert it and print the other half in reverse to then glue together later. The problem is the Z goes negative for both and no mater what math I end up doing it’s never the exact length lost vs gained. That issue comes up on the X and Y when you have to rotate the object a specific way then try to scale it to your customers need. It’s always a guessing game. I’m pretty good at it but if you have a solution I’m not seeing or how to read the negative axis correctly..or maybe there’s a feature that cuts it off at the build plate I don’t know about.
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Okay, so when you rotate and object. The X Y and Z axis stays true to the original loaded model. So if I spin it on it’s center axis the opposite axis should follow with the model. As it is right now if I rotate a model 90’degrees it now is off axis and I can change any other axis with out it going at an angle because the model moves but the rotation axis doesn’t. For instance if I’m trying to make that Sith acolyte model stay in the build plate I would put it at a 45 and then rotate it up or down to achieve the desired angle of approach for less overhangs and fitting reasons. I instead have to rotate the model off the build play first making it “non printable” then rotate it to the 45 but disabling snap rotation I have to go back and forth to level it over and over again because the model loses the planes once it’s rotated.
With that being said, the scale feature does the same thing.. if you scale the Z or X or Y then rotate it.. the program still scales at the original angle.. making weird disproportionate angles that are just silly lol.
Also, being this is likely the only actually feature request.. on the build plate it’s just empty squares. I make per person size items for people weekly. If I could make a arm plate or a helmet/Mask having tiny numbers showing the length and with from X to Y like a graph would make my life SOOOO much easier. As for the programming you can just ad the feature and make the scale of the numbers infinant so no matter what build volume is introduced to it such as a CR-10S or an Ender 3 it would have the numbers of the X and Y by the color they are indicated by from the home area and just make it a toggle feature. So then I can literally just look right at it and know exactly by the number how big it is. Instead of NS ing to painfully count little white squares from one side of the model to the other.
Apologies for my rudeness and short nature in the last email. REALLY NICE to have someone who actually took the time to get back with me.
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I understood what you meant with the last one. Sorry, I picked that one out.
I don't know what you meant with numbering the build plate. There's only one build plate in Cura, so I can call the build plate number 42 but that won't help. Maybe you meant there to be some sort of number in the screen that changes every time you switch printers so you can identify the printer. Maybe you meant us to mark the 3D models of the build plates (for printers that have them). Maybe you meant us to show a number that increments every time you clear the build volume as to indicate a print. Maybe you meant us to actually print either of these numbers instead of displaying them in the interface.
I understand that duplicating the support blockers (void boxes?) may turn them into normal cubes, though I think that's a bug rather than a feature request since duplicating an object should also duplicate all of its per-object settings. I don't know what you meant with "to take advantage of your angle degree scale to change the support dynamic" or what this all has to do with the process of rescaling your model.
I don't understand what you meant with the last and very important thing either. If you scale an object there should be no change in its rotation. The scale has no direction unless you scale non-uniformly. The scale doesn't "continue" with anything as far as I know. I don't understand what you meant with that either.
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4 years ago I was also a bit rude last time and I'm sorry for that. Doesn't take away that we really need to keep issues separated from each other to properly track which of them are still an issue and this thread is a perfect example of that problem.
Okay, so when you rotate and object. The X Y and Z axis stays true to the original loaded model. So if I spin it on it’s center axis the opposite axis should follow with the model. As it is right now if I rotate a model 90’degrees it now is off axis and I can change any other axis with out it going at an angle because the model moves but the rotation axis doesn’t. For instance if I’m trying to make that Sith acolyte model stay in the build plate I would put it at a 45 and then rotate it up or down to achieve the desired angle of approach for less overhangs and fitting reasons. I instead have to rotate the model off the build play first making it “non printable” then rotate it to the 45 but disabling snap rotation I have to go back and forth to level it over and over again because the model loses the planes once it’s rotated.
Maybe I'll need some clarification on what the "center axis" is, or its opposite axis. But if I understood you correctly, the issue you're reporting there is that while the model is not fully inside the build volume, it won't drop down to the build plate automatically. This is actually intended because when you load a very big model in where the units are not in millimetres, or if you scale it to very big, the model would often be invisible if the bottom side is not completely solid, since everything would be above the camera's view. The middle of the object is almost always solid, so disabling the drop to build plate when the model is outside of the build volume helped people to not lose their 3D models by accidentally scaling it too much.
With that being said, the scale feature does the same thing.. if you scale the Z or X or Y then rotate it.. the program still scales at the original angle.. making weird disproportionate angles that are just silly lol.
I think you're talking about the bug that this issue was marked a duplicate of, #4136 .
Also, being this is likely the only actually feature request.. on the build plate it’s just empty squares. I make per person size items for people weekly. If I could make a arm plate or a helmet/Mask having tiny numbers showing the length and with from X to Y like a graph would make my life SOOOO much easier.
Good idea! Maybe we should open up a feature request about this.
As for the programming you can just ad the feature
Should've thought of that! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
But yeah we wouldn't normally give that sort of thing any limits. Our programming language handles big numbers well so there's no reason to not make these numbers count up to infinity if the printer is that big. Normally though most printers don't get much bigger than 400mm and that's a very easy number to count to for a computer.
Side note. I’m aware the scale of the model is on the left side. The issue is, not all models can be printed as One whole piece. Perfect example, I was commissioned to make a 24 inch long Imperial Star destroyer. The only way is to sink it 2/3rds of the way into my build platform and multiply the model then invert it and print the other half in reverse to then glue together later. The problem is the Z goes negative for both and no mater what math I end up doing it’s never the exact length lost vs gained. That issue comes up on the X and Y when you have to rotate the object a specific way then try to scale it to your customers need. It’s always a guessing game. I’m pretty good at it but if you have a solution I’m not seeing or how to read the negative axis correctly..or maybe there’s a feature that cuts it off at the build plate I don’t know about.
The dimensions in the bottom left should be accurate to a tenth of a millimetre, which is enough to cut your model down to the exact layer. We're aware that this is a bit unwieldy. Some research has been made to allow cutting model in pieces easier, but we haven't had success yet (nor the opportunity for much research. We've always said though that Cura is not a modelling tool and you should really be doing this in modelling software like Blender.
BrittanGolden
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4 years ago Well, the think I’m talking about is simple, though it may be by design I don’t know. The not dropping to build plate is normal and I totally understand that. I guess by center I mean this precisely. When the object loads in the build platform and I’m modifying the size or angle is the issue. The original picture I sent is the example. The X and The Y are no longer with the model once rotated. Put your hand on your desk, the planes of movement are indicated by the colored circles representing them (imagined) turn your hand on the desk so it’s facing at a 45 degree angle. Where should the adjustable circles be after the manipulation? With the build platforms XYZ or the model? As it is it literally does not move once rotated. So, if I spin an object on its center just like you did your hand the circles of manipulation should move with THE MODEL lol. Not stay as the build plates. What happens is I go to level the item on the play after rotation to lessen support generation. Go back to your hand and instead of lifting from wrist and palm to tip of fingers like it should it instead lifts from thumb to pinky totally ignoring the 45 degree angle and just lifting from the built plates orientation instead. This issue only Occurs when the rotations is anything but 90 or 180 and you can just use the opposite planes of movement as if they were there counterparts. However the other 358 degrees of circular motion are now not able to be leveled using the rotation as it will now lift from odd angles and have to be reset and leveled before being rotated.
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I was also a bit rude last time and I'm sorry for that. Doesn't take away that we really need to keep issues separated from each other to properly track which of them are still an issue and this thread is a perfect example of that problem.
Okay, so when you rotate and object. The X Y and Z axis stays true to the original loaded model. So if I spin it on it’s center axis the opposite axis should follow with the model. As it is right now if I rotate a model 90’degrees it now is off axis and I can change any other axis with out it going at an angle because the model moves but the rotation axis doesn’t. For instance if I’m trying to make that Sith acolyte model stay in the build plate I would put it at a 45 and then rotate it up or down to achieve the desired angle of approach for less overhangs and fitting reasons. I instead have to rotate the model off the build play first making it “non printable” then rotate it to the 45 but disabling snap rotation I have to go back and forth to level it over and over again because the model loses the planes once it’s rotated.
Maybe I'll need some clarification on what the "center axis" is, or its opposite axis. But if I understood you correctly, the issue you're reporting there is that while the model is not fully inside the build volume, it won't drop down to the build plate automatically. This is actually intended because when you load a very big model in where the units are not in millimetres, or if you scale it to very big, the model would often be invisible if the bottom side is not completely solid, since everything would be above the camera's view. The middle of the object is almost always solid, so disabling the drop to build plate when the model is outside of the build volume helped people to not lose their 3D models by accidentally scaling it too much.
With that being said, the scale feature does the same thing.. if you scale the Z or X or Y then rotate it.. the program still scales at the original angle.. making weird disproportionate angles that are just silly lol.
I think you're talking about the bug that this issue was marked a duplicate of, #4136 https://github.com/Ultimaker/Cura/issues/4136 .
Also, being this is likely the only actually feature request.. on the build plate it’s just empty squares. I make per person size items for people weekly. If I could make a arm plate or a helmet/Mask having tiny numbers showing the length and with from X to Y like a graph would make my life SOOOO much easier.
Good idea! Maybe we should open up a feature request about this.
As for the programming you can just ad the feature
Should've thought of that! 😜
But yeah we wouldn't normally give that sort of thing any limits. Our programming language handles big numbers well so there's no reason to not make these numbers count up to infinity if the printer is that big. Normally though most printers don't get much bigger than 400mm and that's a very easy number to count to for a computer.
Side note. I’m aware the scale of the model is on the left side. The issue is, not all models can be printed as One whole piece. Perfect example, I was commissioned to make a 24 inch long Imperial Star destroyer. The only way is to sink it 2/3rds of the way into my build platform and multiply the model then invert it and print the other half in reverse to then glue together later. The problem is the Z goes negative for both and no mater what math I end up doing it’s never the exact length lost vs gained. That issue comes up on the X and Y when you have to rotate the object a specific way then try to scale it to your customers need. It’s always a guessing game. I’m pretty good at it but if you have a solution I’m not seeing or how to read the negative axis correctly..or maybe there’s a feature that cuts it off at the build plate I don’t know about.
The dimensions in the bottom left should be accurate to a tenth of a millimetre, which is enough to cut your model down to the exact layer. We're aware that this is a bit unwieldy. Some research has been made to allow cutting model in pieces easier, but we haven't had success yet (nor the opportunity for much research. We've always said though that Cura is not a modelling tool and you should really be doing this in modelling software like Blender.
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Numbering the Build plate for visual ref to makers trying to model items to scale or scaling for individual body types would be a serious step up for my business. Further more when replicating support void boxes they become real models and stick to the build plate. I like to take advantage of your angle degree scale to change the support dynamic but Im slowed down by the scaling process. Lastly and extremely important. When an object is scaled the change in its rotation and scale direction should continue with the model. NOT the build plate.