Closed tutebatti closed 2 years ago
Is there something wrong, e.g. with the first phrase in the
<em>
tag?
Not that I can see, no. But I know how this was designed and was present for all discussions that lead to the way it is designed now, so maybe I am "too close" to see the issue. If you can't understand it based on the text, that is a good indication that we should explain it further.
A side note to start with is that the current behavior is based on many iterations, each of which we discussed in length with Dorothea and Ralph. I will try to represent the timeline of how this evolved until the current version so that you can better understand why it works how it does now.
The functionality here is based on how the hierarchy of religions looks like:
In summary: the objective is to show as much detail as possible, while still being consistent with the level of aggregation.
I hope that clears up the question, and that you can reformulate the passage to bring it across more clearly to a wider audience.
I'm baffled. I probably never used any filters that would lead to that behavior (or I didn't pay attention?). I thought clustering always leads to all religious groups belonging to one general religious affiliation being represented by one circle and one circle only.
I will need to double check the rest of the texts involving clustering to see if the behavior - which you explained nicely - should be mentioned.
Try just filtering by two religious groups of Christianity, and nothing else ;)
I could reproduce the behavior easily once I understood what is meant. But it seems I never encountered multiple circles with a cross as part of one glyph...
Since the three children of SHIA
will be removed, I think it becomes easier to talk of "religious groups" and "general religious affiliation" only, although this is less generic. Cf.
a lower part in the religion hierarchy would be present
Since the three children of SHIA will be removed, I think it becomes easier to talk of "religious groups" and "general religious affiliation" only, although this is less generic. Cf.
a lower part in the religion hierarchy would be present
Well. This is something I did not know would happen, and which is currently not planned as part of the export to DaRUS (and hence, the public version). Maybe this should be discussed with @rpbarczok also, maybe in #3.
Second: The whole functionality is generic to the data, and it would be good to keep the description of the behavior generic as well. Just because in the case of the public version at HU, there are only two hierarchy levels, that doesn't mean this will always be the case. So the description should not be too specific about there only being two levels.
In case this relates to my mention of "groups" here in 4.iii.: What I meant here by "group" is all religions that are collected into one circle.
See also issue 180 @ TIK for previous discussions. As far as I see it, the solution we thought about there is to "hide" the exact affiliation of Shiite evidence for the public version. As far as I know, this is not planned for DaRUS (@rpbarczok ?). So this would be a minor difference that actually exists between these two data version.
This is something I did not know would happen, and which is currently not planned as part of the export to DaRUS (and hence, the public version).
I might be mistaken, but I think their removal is explained in the Prolegomena which should, of course, match the data in DaRUS and the public version. Again, what does @rpbarczok say? :smile:
What I meant here by "group" is all religions that are collected into one circle.
So the behavior is the same for all nodes below the highest level? It is hard to test because there are so little evidences with the three subgroups of SHIA
.
The problem is that the "average humanist" is not used to think in categories of multiple hierarchies in this case. At any rate, I suggest that I will try to rephrase and then we can correct that, if it is not generic enough.
So the behavior is the same for all nodes below the highest level? It is hard to test because there are so little evidences with the three subgroups of SHIA.
The problem is that the "average humanist" is not used to think in categories of multiple hierarchies in this case. At any rate, I suggest that I will try to rephrase and then we can correct that, if it is not generic enough.
Yes, exactly. It would even work with four, five, ... levels of hierarchy. And yes. This behavior was more obvious (and maybe more needed) when we still had the differentiation between Chalcedon and Non-Chalcedon churches. Old screenshot:
See, even in the field of software development, historical inquiry is fundamental to understanding! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Joking aside, I have yet another question: As far as I understood, the clustering of map glyphs changes with the zoom level (which makes totally sense). Is it correct, though, that the aggregation of religious groups into circles is independent of zoom level? Hence, I get the following despite what we have just discussed:
Is it correct, though, that the aggregation of religious groups into circles is independent of zoom level?
No. The rules I mentioned are re-evaluated on each zoom level. Basically, we can break this down to a hypothetical scenario in which only one map glyph and the religions it contains are solely responsible for the aggregation happening. In reality, there might be more, but the principle stays the same. Then, there are three possibilities:
- Take a look at this state for an example of this.
This link does not work for me, somehow. If click on it, I'm shown this page:
If I then click on "Erlauben", this is shown:
At any rate, regarding your explanation and my screenshot from my previous comment, I don't understand why the second map glyph from the left is aggregated. None of the glyphs would have more than four circles. Pardon me, if I'm still not understanding correctly.
It seems like you were not yet logged in. In that case, try uploading the state directly instead: JSON
At any rate, regarding your explanation and my screenshot from my previous comment, I don't understand why the second map glyph from the left is aggregated. None of the glyphs would have more than four circles. Pardon me, if I'm still not understanding correctly.
Can you, in turn, give me a reproducable state for your example? Just the JSON from Settings > Persist State > Save visualization state.
It seems like you were not yet logged in.
I was, but maybe there's something wrong with my cookies or browser or whatever... The JSON worked.
Here is my persistent state file (I had to change the file extension to txt because github does not accept json files - how did you attach yours?): filter-for-issue-77_tutebatti.txt
how did you attach yours?
I didn't, for that exact reason. I created a gist and linked to it.
Thanks... learning something new every day. :)
As far as I understood, the clustering of map glyphs changes with the zoom level (which makes totally sense). Is it correct, though, that the aggregation of religious groups into circles is independent of zoom level? Hence, I get the following despite what we have just discussed:
I see, and I think I understand where the disconnect is now. And this is something fundamental that should probably be explained to visitors as well: This behavior is not limited to the glyphs within the visible area of the map, but to all glyphs on that zoom level. So, everything east, west, north and south of the currently visible part of the map is also already populated with glyphs. That is necessary so that they show up when you pan the map, and so glyph grouping doesn't suddenly change just because another city is within the map bounds when panning.
In your example, I could find at least one glyph with 6 religions:
I knew there was something missing. I was unclear (not only in my expression, but also thinking myself about the problem) about "zooming" - of course zooming shows a smaller area of the map but that area can be changed by panning...
The good thing about all this is that my ignorance anticipates other newbies to the visualization. :smiley:
I'm sorry I have to open this issue up again... but I'm struggling with distinguishing map glyphs "currently shown", i.e. rendered at all but off the current section, and "currently shown", i.e. visible on the screen. Any ideas?
One solution could be to have a separate <p>
explaining this behavior, i.e. that the map glyphs are rendered based on zoom and active filters across the whole map.
I would avoid the term "rendered" for everything that is not currently visible. That is not what happens. Rendering happens exactly for those glyphs that are actually visible.
My suggestion would be to, yes, put that in a separate <p>
, and to separate out the two parts of the process:
This might be too much detail for visitors, but for your understanding, this is the InfoVis Visualization Pipeline, which is something students learn very early on in our InfoVis lecture. There are multiple steps here, and different processes apply in different parts of the pipeline. What might be relevant here are the last two steps of mapping and rendering. Mapping is where the final representation of the data is decided, and rendering is then only the act of painting that data onto the screen. In InfoVis, we differentiate between geometric zooming and semantic zooming for that exact reason: The former only happens in the last step (the transformation or rendering step), so shapes might get larger or smaller. But semantic zooming can also change the way the data is represented, and therefore also applies to the mapping step. A typical example from the lecture is zooming in an image (geometric), or in google maps (semantic, we see more and different detail). Or in our case: semantic zooming, because the evidence is clustered differently, and the glyphs might use different aggregation levels.
Very nice explanation! As you can see, I added a commit with several new phrases. I used to populate
to describe what I understand as mapping
in the pipeline you shared. So depending on zoom level and active data, the map is populated with glyphs (i.e., "the glyphs are mapped to the map"?).
As you can see, I added a commit with several new phrases.
Yes. Looks good on a brief overview. I left you two comments :)
In the info text of the map, I find the following sentences:
I hardly understand this. Is there something wrong, e.g. with the first phrase in the
<em>
tag?