Proxy Manager Fails to Detect Proxy

[Xashyar]

even though it is easily detected by other apps... Version: 2.3.1977

[FrayxRulez]

UWP apps can’t connect to localhost by default, you should follow this steps: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/iot-core/develop-your-app/loopback (The idea is to had some kind of warning when trying to add a localhost proxy in future releases of Unigram tho.)

[Xashyar]

@FrayxRulez the provided doc seems to belong to windows iot-core, I couldn't find the provided values in registry,

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\system\currentcontrolset\services\mpssvc\parameters] "IoTInboundLoopbackPolicy"=dword:00000001

is iot-core different form Regular PC windows?

is there a less abusive way (Proxy Sponsored ads) to get this thing use proxies? and since this is a community-oriented dev, do you think it's ethical to leverage ads for giving a simple service like internet access to 3rd to blocked countries?

does telegram provide official proxies?

[FrayxRulez]

You have to check Enabling loopback for a UWP application (Sorry, I thought to have linked that anchor directly). Unigram package family name (to be passed with -n parameter) is 38833FF26BA1D.UnigramPreview_g9c9v27vpyspw.

[Xashyar]

Thanks! @FrayxRulez Since this is a community-oriented dev, do you think it's ethical to leverage ads for giving a simple service like internet access to blocked countries?

[FrayxRulez]

Proxy ads are delivered by proxies directly through Telegram, and I like to respect their desire. (Telegram earns nothing from those ads, they are managed directly by proxy owners)

[Xashyar]

@FrayxRulez people see those ads because they have no other alternative, they have to stand them because there is no other choice whether you respect their desire or not. this is abuse not choice.

[levlam]

@Xashyar Of course, there is a choice. They can buy a server and install a private proxy without sponored channel there, or they can try to find a proxy, paid by proxy owner himself, without sponsored channel. The last option isn't free for users also, because they will need to pay their time for finding such proxy and waiting for a slower file downloads. But there can't be a completely free option anyway, because owning a proxy always costs some money. Showing one sposored channel has been chosen as the best way to cover the cost of maintainig a proxy server and at the same time minimally annoy proxy users.

[Xashyar]

Proxy ads are delivered by proxies directly through Telegram, and I like to respect their desire. (Telegram earns nothing from those ads, they are managed directly by proxy owners)

@FrayxRulez

1. I take your silence as not having any answer to this. if so please remove the subtitle "for the Community" you are misusing those words, unless you mean the advertising, data mining community :)

2. you are right, they are not directly delivered by Telegram, but the Platform allows for such things, there are so many bots collecting user's info all without their explicit consent. and this is the Platform's fault not Third Parties.

3. and Finally if you guys are community devs, (i.e. not paid by Telegram) I don't know why are you wasting your time on such a Bloated Platform like Telegram. I do because there is no other choice, everyone is on this thing.

They can buy a server and install a private proxy without sponored channel

You might as well build your own messenger (hint: Signalapp repo)

But there can't be a completely free option anyway

@levlam may I introduce you to things like ProtonVPN or TorProject?

@DarthJahus Do you dare to +Heart this? D

[FrayxRulez]

The community includes who create, pay and offer proxies to the people as well 😊 I think that @levlam summarized well my opinion, furthermore no one forces you to use sponsored proxies, you're free to use the solution that best fits for you, including using a different messenger.

[Alexmitter]

@Xashyar

"and Finally if you guys are community devs, (i.e. not paid by Telegram) I don't know why are you wasting your time on such a Bloated Platform like Telegram."

Telegram is not bloated, it is well balanced and you are wrong. There is nothing wrong with giving a chance to people who offer you something that cost them money for free, to get something back. Nothing. And if You don't like it, you can just use Signal because you seem to think it is actually even in the near of Telegram in terms of quality and functionality. Or maybe you may use your own Proxy.

[Xashyar]

The community includes who create, pay and offer proxies to the people as well 😊 I think that @levlam summarized well my opinion, furthermore no one forces you to use sponsored proxies, you're free to use the solution that best fits for you, including using a different messenger.

@FrayxRulez very well, so since you seem to be in touch with all of these so called creators, would you mind Introducing some Ad-Free ones? to prove that I'm free to use the solution that best fits me. Thanks in advance.

A different messenger is my preferred but not all inclusive option, good for the Tely guys :)

[DarthJahus]

@Xashyar, here's my suggestion: Go get a VPS, install a MTProxy, use it and offer it free of ads while ensuring stability and less than 1000 ms ping while more than 4000 Iranians are connected at once. We'll see if you can sustain that for longer than a month or two without people funding you or… advertising :)

[Xashyar]

you seem to think it is actually even in the near of Telegram in terms of quality and functionality. Or maybe you may use your own Proxy.

@Alexmitter I don't think that Signal matches Telegram in terms of quality and functionality, but it surely leaves it light years behind in terms of Privacy and respecting user's choices.

PS: Look up the word "Bloated" in your dictionary. then look into Telegram Settings/Bots/Channels to get a better sense, and then maybe compare it to another messenger.

@FrayxRulez and since all of you think it's totally open source, send me the link of Telegram X/iOS/MTProto/Server to date repos/implementations for better enlightenment.

[Alexmitter]

but it surely leaves light years behind in terms of Privacy and respecting user's choices.

this is incorrect in all terms, telegram is clear about its privacy and user's choice and isnt a US Based Company like Wisper Systems.

then look into Telegram Settings/Bots/Channels to get a better sense, and then maybe compare it to another messenger.

Telegram is not just a simple SMS Replacement, its Messenger on the level of stuff like MSN Messenger back in its days, it is feature rich and power user focused. And in this terms, it is clear, straight forward and not bloated in any terms. But again, if you don't like it, don't use it.

[FrayxRulez]

@Xashyar sorry but no one here stated that Telegram is fully open source and I think this isn't the focus of this thread, so I'd ask you to stop being off topic. (Unigram isn't fully open source as well.)

[stek29]

So, you just don't want to pay for block circumvention -- neither by having sponsored channel, nor by paying people who host proxies, nor by setting up your own proxy, nor by spending time looking for ad-free proxy, nor by switching to different app, nor by moving into a country with minimal internet censorship / making your government stop blocking everything they don't like?

Those are the options you have. Choosing one is free will.

You have one more option, actually. Abuse the system and make a modified app which doesn't show sponsored channel.

You have also mentioned data mining -- but proxy owners don't get any data from sponsored channel. Proxy owners get no data about users except the ip (and anonymized stats from telegram). They can of course analyze what DCs you connect to in what order, see what amount of data flows through the connection, and try to make sense of that -- but there's nothing you can do about that.

Sorry for jumping to conclusions -- but I don't think it's about privacy -- it's about abusing other people's trust and tricking the system to avoid paying for what you get.

[Xashyar]

@Xashyar, here's my suggestion: Go get a VPS, install a MTProxy, use it and offer it free of ads while ensuring stability and less than 1000 ms ping while more than 4000 Iranians are connected at once. We'll see if you can sustain that for longer than a month or two without people funding you or… advertising :)

@DarthJahus @stek29 and Here's my slightly easier suggestion/choice (only bridge users),

• ping is <300ms for Telegram

[Xashyar]

@Xashyar sorry but no one here stated that Telegram is fully open source

@FrayxRulez Taken Directly from https://telegram.org/apps#source-code

For the moment we are focusing on open sourcing the things that allow developers to quickly build something using our API. We have published the code for our Android, iOS, web and desktop apps (Win, OSX and Linux) as well as the Telegram Database Library. This code also allows security researchers to fully evaluate our end-to-end encryption implementation.

Tell me if those phrases could not be misleading at all, I know I'm being off topic but I'm just asking for more transparency, which seems to be a thing of the past.

"Stop Lying to People."

[FrayxRulez]

Telegram apps are open source (apart from Telegram X), and source is usually released together with every major version release. Open source distribution doesn't mean open source development.

[Xashyar]

You have to check Enabling loopback for a UWP application (Sorry, I thought to have linked that anchor directly). Unigram package family name (to be passed with -n parameter) is 38833FF26BA1D.UnigramPreview_g9c9v27vpyspw.

@FrayxRulez

Plus: the iotstartup list command does nothing.

[FrayxRulez]

If you search through closed issues you can find some UI tool to do this