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Does "use"/"using" always evoke a scene? #36

Closed nschneid closed 5 years ago

nschneid commented 5 years ago

Consider:

  1. He broke the window with a hammer. – seems like "with a hammer" is a clear participant
  2. He broke the window using a hammer.
  3. He broke the window by using a hammer. – "by" presents the use of the hammer as a means
  4. He used a hammer to break the window. [He_A used_P [a hammer]_A [(He)_A to break_P [the window]_A]_A – this analysis seems reasonable, but I could also see an argument that "used" is a secondary verb.
omriabnd commented 5 years ago

I would say the first 3 don't evoke a scene (instruments), while the last one has two Scenes with a purposive Linker. I agree "used' could be analyzed as a secondary verb, but my feeling is that this option will be less immediate for annotators.

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Consider:

  1. He broke the window with a hammer. – seems like "with a hammer" is a clear participant
  2. He broke the window using a hammer.
  3. He broke the window by using a hammer. – "by" presents the use of the hammer as a means
  4. He used a hammer to break the window. [He_A used_P [a hammer]_A [(He)_A to break_P [the window]_A]_A – this analysis seems reasonable, but I could also see an argument that "used" is a secondary verb.

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nschneid commented 5 years ago

Would you make "using" a relator in (2)? What about (3)?

omriabnd commented 5 years ago

Yes. Relator. I agree (3) is borderline between a Scene and not a Scene.

nschneid commented 5 years ago

So with the non-scene interpretation of (3), both "by" and "using" would be relators?

omriabnd commented 5 years ago

yes

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So with the non-scene interpretation of (3), both "by" and "using" would be relators?

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omriabnd commented 5 years ago

Dotan, could you add these as examples to the guidelines?

dotdv commented 5 years ago

Added these examples under "instruments" (do you agree with this title or have a better idea?) in "interesting examples". Regarding example 3: I marked 'by' and 'using' separately as Rs. "he broke the window [by_R using_R a hammer]_A

omriabnd commented 5 years ago

Sounds good

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Added these examples under "instruments" (do you agree with this title or have a better idea?) in "interesting examples". Regarding example 3: I marked 'by' and 'using' separately as Rs. "he broke the window [by_R using_R a hammer]_A

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