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faoi bhráid — compound preposition? #65

Closed kscanne closed 3 years ago

kscanne commented 3 years ago

Sometimes this is tagged as a compound preposition and other times like a normal PP with a genitive nmod. I'd be inclined toward the latter.... I'm always happier with fewer fixed relations!

kscanne commented 3 years ago

Also "fé bhráid" in the corpus.

tlynn747 commented 3 years ago

Apparently it's taken from the Christian Brothers grammar. If this is contested then would that mean all others would be also , on the basis that the genitive is in use in the following noun. I think there's sufficient examples of compound preposition + noun (Gen) to allow a tagger/parser to correctly learn this pattern.

kscanne commented 3 years ago

That's fine — I'll make them all compounds. I mostly care about consistency at this point.

michealjohnny commented 3 years ago

I see ye may have settled this - I would just add that it can, when not followed by a noun, be a simple prepositional structure. It definitely need not always be a compound prepostion - it's just that this is by far its most common use.

Teoiric a thabhairt faoi bhráid (to put forward/present a theory). -VS- Teoiric a chur faoi bhráid an choiste (to put forward present a theory to the committee).

The first example here the simpler prep and is quite archaic in my opinion. I can't imagine it coming up very often at all, and I'm 99% sure it'll only come up after "tabhair" or "tóg" while the latter will follow verbs like "cuir", "téigh", "tar" - if that's any help. Perhaps when making them all compounds you could extend the lookup to check if anything follows the preositional structure.

The latter is the compound prep.

This same pattern, of a noun after the construction, applies to: "Tá na daoine ar bord" (the people are on board) -VS- "Tá sé ar bord loinge" (he is on board the ship)

kscanne commented 3 years ago

cf. full list of compounds here: https://universaldependencies.org/ga/feat/PrepForm.html

kscanne commented 3 years ago

Fixed by #134