Inconsistency in _Vstoupila do místnosti smutná_ acl vs. advcl replacing xcomp

[cinkova]

https://universaldependencies.org/cs/dep/acl.html, Example 2: Alena vstoupila do místnosti smutná: acl (Alena, smutná) is outdated according to https://universaldependencies.org/u/dep/xcomp.html, example 23 Vstoupila do místnosti smutná advcl(vstoupila, smutná)

[dan-zeman]

Hmm, this example is clearly outdated given the guidelines change on optional depictives from 2022-05-06.

I want to double-check that we also meant to use advcl for optional depictives that relate to a non-subject argument, as in example 3 here in Czech, He painted his wife naked, meaning that the wife and not him was naked (because both wife and naked are in the accusative). @nschneid @amir-zeldes

[nschneid]

Sure, I don't see why the rule for optional depictives should depend on which argument is being secondarily predicated.

[amir-zeldes]

because both wife and naked are in the accusative

I assume that's a coincidence and not agreement, right? I he "helped his wife naked", and help takes dative (I assume?) then naked would still be accusative, right? If so then the cases are unrelated and accusative is just used to indicate it's adverbial, like "next.acc week" in German.

[dan-zeman]

No, it's not a coincidence. It's agreement:

• Koupal se nahý. "He swam naked (Nom Masc Sing)"
• Maloval ji nahou. "He painted her naked (Acc Fem Sing)"
• Pomohl jí nahé. "He helped her (Dat) naked (Dat Fem Sing)"
• Mluvil o nich jako o nahých. "He talked about them (Loc) as about naked (Loc Plur)"

"Next week" would be in accusative exactly as in German but that is a different phenomenon.

[amir-zeldes]

Oh, sorry I got it mixed up, I thought that the painter was naked for some reason!

I suppose if we want to stay consistent with the general depictive guideline then it has to still be a dependent of the verb, though the agreement you point out certainly shows why it's tempting to want to attach it to the noun.