GRhin
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3 years ago First off, we are working on adding the ability for users to set their own balance changes so when that's added you can do whatever you like. As to your suggestions, based off a rebalance a few of us are working on for multiplayer:
- Arab archers cheaper could work, making euro archers more expensive is another option, we have done a little of both I think. This would be a controversial one, as we commonly get a request to nerf Arab archers (the math supports buffing however)
- Assassins are certainly overpowered, but their invisibility isn't undercoated on it's own. We have made them slower (by removing the rally point running speed), and reducing their melee strength, and it seems to be sufficient. Increasing their cost will limit their utility as spreading slingers or archers around your base becomes more and more cost effective, and once walls go up it takes only a few units at each vulnerable resource to effectively counter them.
- I agree with the supposition that ha are strong, but in single player this is more due to players amassing far more troops than necessary to attack with. That is a problem with AIs not with ha. In multiplayer the ha are indirectly nerfed by by the shields speed nerf, ha can no longer stay behind shields and arent as strong when enemy can match you for troop count and unit composition.
- We have made some changes to seige, but again, in single player players will spend thousands upon thousands of gold on a seige army, to fight a few hundred gold worth of defending units and not mind much if they lose it all. So increasing coats will not change that, only make the games longer (or players change speed more frequently). In multiplayer they aren't as op as you think as humans can actively counter them with their own seige, shields and tactics.
- Shields only need a speed nerf in my opinion, but I think there has been an additional health nerf since I last worked on our balance
- Crossbows are wildly overrated. If you do the math (which I have), crossbows are only better per gold spent than euro archers when defending against swords and knights and a couple others I forget. For the most part it is cheaper to build an army or archers that deal the same amount of damage, and those few exceptions can be easily countered with slingers recruited from the gold saved by going for archers. Crossbows strength come from their ability to concentrate more firepower in a smaller area, and using less workers (so best late game when you have more gold than you can use recruiting cheap units at the slow worker spawn rate)
Again, this is my view based on math looking at current stat values, long experience in single player, and from viewing the results of changes made for multiplayer over the last year or so. We are still working on our work, so it is always possible my views on any of this could change as more evidence is seen. Keep in mind also that the multiplayer I prefer starts with no gold, so you need to consider gold efficiency much more than in traditional multiplayer styles.
Russianstory
Hello everyone,
I've recently downloaded this awesome patch for the good old shc. I usually play multiplayer with friends, so I'm more interested in balance changes. I really do appreciate the crossbow nerf and the spearman buff. However, some of the unit costs are still not reasonable.
Is it yet possible to modify the gold cost of units upon recruiting? The exact values aren't that important for now, but I really look forward to this, as it could maximize the game experience.
Just as a sketch, here are my ideas. After years of playing this game, I do thnik that: 1) arabian archers should be cheaper around 60-70 gold 2) assassins are way too cheap, their low visibility should be an expensive trait for like 80-100 gold 3) horse archers are well known op troops, nothing less than 150 gold would fix them 4) fire ballistae and catapults may be more expensive too 5) as others mentioned, shields should be nerfed too 6) crossbows should be 30 gold
This is only my opinion, and may be flawed. What do you think of this?