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Overestimated Kdown in Shanghai by WRF #59

Closed sunt05 closed 4 years ago

sunt05 commented 5 years ago

@sunt05 I have done a case with setting all the urban grids to 100% cropland. Here are the results. flux-timeseries-two-0803

Originally posted by @zhenkunl in https://github.com/Urban-Meteorology-Reading/WRF-SUEWS/issues/45#issuecomment-517764562

sunt05 commented 5 years ago

As far as I know, SUEWS doesn't use SMOIS in the wrfinput, but use SOILMOIST_SUEWS which is assigned values by ourselves instead. This is timeseries of moisture of grass, which has a 100% fraction in my case. 4925C956-9035-4AE5-BDC9-B06D626BD9D5

Originally posted by @zhenkunl in https://github.com/Urban-Meteorology-Reading/WRF-SUEWS/issues/45#issuecomment-517890037

sunt05 commented 5 years ago

Yes it should be our Soilmoist_suews. I assume that is the deficit. Please can you set that to a larger values e.g.100 to see if that is limiting things. Please Also check the LAI.

Best wishes Sue


Prof Sue Grimmond Meteorology, University of Reading


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As far as I know, SUEWS doesn't use SMOIS in the wrfinput, but use SOILMOIST_SUEWS which is assigned values by ourselves instead. This is timeseries of moisture of grass, which has a 100% fraction in my case. [4925C956-9035-4AE5-BDC9-B06D626BD9D5]https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/12846201/62406546-4cf5f500-b5e0-11e9-9868-67af5c0c6b0f.png

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sunt05 commented 5 years ago

As far as I know, SUEWS doesn't use SMOIS in the wrfinput, but use SOILMOIST_SUEWS which is assigned values by ourselves instead. This is timeseries of moisture of grass, which has a 100% fraction in my case. 4925C956-9035-4AE5-BDC9-B06D626BD9D5

Originally posted by @zhenkunl in #45 (comment)

Given the very small changes in the soilmoist shown in your figure: ~0.1 mm in 3 days, it is not surprising that LH would be so low: 1 mm day-1 ≈ 30 W m-2 (equivalent latent heat flux). So I think some surface conductance related parameters (and others) might need to be looked into in this case.

However, as our purpose is to see if surface latent flux would affect incoming solar radiation, I suggest you use the more common Noah to examine the effect: make sure you will see a large LH.

sunt05 commented 5 years ago

@zhenkunl can you calculate the transmissivity using WRF produced Kdown following Ao et al. (2016)? See their eons 2–4. Or, can you upload the Kdown data produced by WRF? I'd like to have a look.

zhenkunl commented 5 years ago

I set the initial soilmoist_SUEWS to higher values to get larger LH. This can be seen from output, however, it looks LH doesn't affect SWDOWN. flux-timeseries-two-0806 transmissivity-0806

sunt05 commented 5 years ago

Thanks for the plot of transmissivity. Compared with Figure 4 in Ao et al. (2016), the transmissivity by WRF is apparently larger by ~0.1. We may consider to "brutally" suppress Kdown at the SUEWS side.

suegrimmond commented 5 years ago

I.e. acknowledging urban aerosols

zhenkunl commented 5 years ago

How can we take into account the effect of haze?

suegrimmond commented 5 years ago

We have a plan.

sunt05 commented 4 years ago

can be addressed by supplying a local correction factor based on observations of kdown.