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Choosing and Building first ViPC Configuration #121

Open VillageHubertChen opened 8 years ago

VillageHubertChen commented 8 years ago

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bcaswelch commented 8 years ago

Tasks

Configuration

Nice table

Type URL Price
Motherboard MSI Intel Skylake LGA 1151 Mini ITX $90
CPU Intel 6600 i5 3.3ghz $235
SSD Samsung 850 EVO 250 GB M.2 SSD $100

Messy table

Type URL Price
GPU Gigabyte 750ti 2GB Card Half/Height $123
Memory Kingston HyperX FURY Black 8GB 2133 DDR4 $40
Power Supply HDPLEX 250W DC-ATX Power $85
Power Brick Dell PA-9E 240W External Brick $45

Example on how to clean up Amazon URLs

Why this build:

-Includes best low profile GPU for testing games (what popular reviewers want) -CPU is plenty for gaming -8GB ram is sweetspot for price/performance, typical amount of memory -240W power brick will give enough headroom. 160w is not enough for a strong CPU+GPU

Strategic tests for this machine

Missing Parts:

Researching

VillageHubertChen commented 8 years ago

Brief of our Skype Call

Update on Disks

NVME is still seems more expensive

Above Samsung SSD is SATA not NVME. The 256GB NVME is $180. That makes NVME SSD still a significant premium over SATA SSD. Before making final choice need to check in detail

Develop two Base Configuration

Entry Level

This should be very close to the one Bobby researched, except we will go back to SSD 2.5" and possibly consider an i5

Variation 1: Silent

Variation 2: Value

High End Workstation

Considerations on Marketing

Entry Level / Mid Range

High End Workstation:

Summary on Solidworks

Rotating of Complex Model Test Results

Michael rotated full assembly of ViCase, full screen size on i7 with Full HD Display:

  1. Two Displays - 2 GPU: 1 fps
  2. Two Displays - iGPU: 3 fps
  3. Two Displays - GTX 750 hacked for Solifworks: 60 fps

This is a very important finding. We should push this in an Article. It is a very good reason to get a workstation PC to work with SolidWorks.

Idea to demo in Article

We make 2 Gifs, place them side by side. We rotate ViCase. Gifs are small size, set to 30 fps. No need to show resolution. We want to show fps. This should be very impressive demo. Then just say you want speed. Use a Desktop GPU. Simple, believable statement.

Compile other writing to here

bcaswelch commented 8 years ago
Type URL Price
Motherboard Gigabyte Z170 ITX $155
CPU Intel 6700k i7 4.0ghz $355
SSD Samsung 850 Pro 512 PCIe $328
GPU Gigabyte GTX 750ti 2GB $123
RAM Corsair Vengeance 16GB 3000MHz $70
PWR FLEX ATX 300W GOLD $80

Total Price: $1,110.00

Why this build

-CPU is best you can get, high clock speed and performance. Only question is power... May have to use a 6700 (non-k) as it uses significantly less wattage.

-Motherboard has all of the perks of a high end board, great reviews and supports all of the new ports.

-Memory is high clocked, high performance. Corsair Vengeance very reputable memory sticks. 16gb is the sweetspot for multitasking, gaming, and rendering.

-Samsung PCIe drive is one of the highest regarded on the market, very reputable. 512gb is going to be expensive but as a single drive, this is will enough space for many users. Or we have a 256gb pcie drive paired with a larger hard drive disk.

GTX 750ti is a given, best card for its size.

Issue ISSUE RESOLVED

The big question in power. 250w is going to be cutting it close when it comes to an i7 + GTX card. Theoretically it should work, but still may cause problems.

VillageHubertChen commented 8 years ago

PSU Config

I am thinking to make the default PSU the 300W Flex ATX Gold. This PC can not reach the Silent class anyways because of GPU Cooler and CPU Cooler. Having the little noise of the Flex ATX in this context should not be disturbing. I hope you can tell me on Monday when you receive the Flex ATX GOld PSU and can test how quiet it is in real life.

VillageHubertChen commented 8 years ago

Great Job on Clean Markdown Table

Great Job! Keep up the good work :+1:

VillageHubertChen commented 8 years ago

Discussing Workflow in Issues

Current Style

My current style of working on issues was to go back into a made post and update it. But I am realizing this has several drawbacks:

  1. You and other contributors can not do that due to different privileges. So we would have two workflows for two classes of people. That is bad. I should work the same way as you and lead by example.
  2. It is easy to overwrite each other
  3. It is difficult to catch what is new when you arrive on an issue after you get the notification

Proposed new style

  1. Every new information is in a new post
  2. If posts contains documentation to archive, during closing the issue one has to go through all comments and compile a consolidated Article

Your thoughts

Let me know if you agree that we test this new approach for a bit and see if it works?

bcaswelch commented 8 years ago

So this new approach would have all new information through comments instead of updating current information? I'm fine with that.

Also, I agree with the 300w Flex. It would be nice to get the HDPLEX working with this system, but its too risky. 300w will give more than enough for the specs.

VillageHubertChen commented 8 years ago

New Workflow

Exactly, simply put new information as new comment on the bottom. If you need to update existing one, copy it to a new comment, then edit it, then post it. → Please confirm that you can access the markdown source code of comments I wrote ?

Power for High End Workstation

Using the HDPLEX is not risky at all. Michael has this configuration and he is running it safely for a year on 200W. My suspicion is (which you guys need to test) that the 300W FlexATX Gold is quiet enough in this context, it is lower cost and makes for a demo machine that you easier bring and demo, since it has no external power brick.

HDPLEX will be a tested option for High End Workstation

You will test it and offer the HDPLEX. For users who only sporadically need the full performance and who are noise sensitive this may still be a good option.

Idea for demo machine

Hack the FlexATX to have a switch to turn off the PSU fan for a moment. The reviewer than can experience the noise level difference if using HDPLEX

VillageHubertChen commented 8 years ago

Noise Level Article and Testing

I will create an Article on this Topic. After you edit it and agree on the structure you and Tom will make testing of the noise levels of the different configuration. Then we have much better idea on how to explain and promote it to the customer and how to choose PSU for what kind of configurations