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Open API for distributed journey planning. CEN/TS 17118:2017.
https://www.vdv.de/open-journey-planner.aspx
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privateLift better info #420

Closed ue71603 closed 8 months ago

trurlurl commented 9 months ago

If ALTERNATIVE MODE OF OPERATION = Any publicly advertised mode of operation different from the CONVENTIONAL MODE OF OPERATION, for example: VEHICLE SHARING, VEHICLE RENTAL, VEHICLE POOLING.

and

PERSONAL MODE OF OPERATION = A non-advertised mode of operation of vehicles by persons using their own vehicle.

(https://www.transmodel-cen.eu/model/EARoot/EA10/EA3/EA1/EA3535.htm)

Then it seems to me that the most clearly distinguishing criterion should be whether it is advertised / commercial or not. PERSONAL = non-advertised, non-commercial

According to Mike's explanation, it is more whether one is on its own or not. PERSONAL = on one's own

Another problem I see: neither of the two criteria justifies to have hire in personal and sharing in alternative, as they currently are. They are both equally "personal" or unpersonal (personal according to the second criterion, alternative according to the first).

My feeling is that if we keep privateLift in personal, favoring the advertised/commercial criterion, then sharing and hire should be in alternative.

As for the annotation to privateLift: I wouldn't use the word "stranger", but perhaps: "If the offer is advertised or commercial, then pooling …"

ue71603 commented 9 months ago

TM 6: ALTERNATIVE MODE OF OPERATION: Any publicly advertised mode of operation different from the CONVENTIONAL MODE OF OPERATION, for example: VEHICLE SHARING, VEHICLE RENTAL, VEHICLE POOLING.

PERSONAL MODE OF OPERATION: A non-advertised mode of operation of vehicles by persons using their own vehicle.

My feeling: We leave it as it is and let Transmodel work on the MODE OF OPERATION definitions.

@Aurige : What is your take?

ue71603 commented 9 months ago

@skinkie @trurlurl I think we merge this, too. Pls approve, if ok for you @Aurige If you have changes before the merge, then pls do otherwise, we will see what comes out of the Transmodel discussion.

trurlurl commented 9 months ago

Why not just adhere to the current Transmodel definition, so that things would be clean in this respect? That would mean, from my point of view (explained in more detail above):

ue71603 commented 9 months ago

@trurlurl Updated the privateLift description. On hire. I think it really depends on the way you hire. If it is short term andmore in the sense of sharing =>ALTERNATIVE MODE OF OPERATION. If you go on vacation andrent it for two weeks would you really think of this as still an advertised offer? I have asked Kasia and Christophe and afterwards we can finish this one.

ue71603 commented 8 months ago

@trurlurl Updated comment from Kasia: A “car” when rented/hired is related to the ALTERNATIVE MODE OF OPERATION defined as “Any publicly advertised mode of operation (MODE OF OPERATION =a method of providing means of transport) different from the CONVENTIONAL MODE OF OPERATION, for example: VEHICLE SHARING, VEHICLE RENTAL, VEHICLE POOLING” rather than to the PERSONAL MODE OF OPERATION (A non-advertised MODE OF OPERATION of vehicles by persons using their own vehicle). The provision of a “hired car” follows an advertised method (publicly accessible method, even if following some rules (valid driver license, cost/km, etc).