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Unfair phenomenon from the Patrol (duplicate 3) #19002

Open Menthol3 opened 5 months ago

Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

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(22.03.2024) I don’t know English, and I will translate from Russian into English through a translator, I apologize in advance for strange sentences

I received 5 punishments from Patrol over the last 8-12 days, here is my ID - 243935559, dotabuff is open

I would like to ask the Dota developers, in which match did I receive my last punishment? Not after what did I receive punishment from the Patrol, but precisely for what match did I receive punishment? I fundamentally disagree with the punishment, for the last 8 games I have not violated it in order to get another block for 24 hours and games in “low priority” I think the Dota developers decided that the Patrol itself would decide who to block and who not, without checking with the developers themselves

I am a player of 5-4 positions, I play at a high rank, and I think because in this role you can perform very multifaceted actions that the patrol will not understand or will not consider “griefer” For example, after the next block, I analyzed my last games and thought that the fact is that I like to “wander”, that is, I leave my line too often and early and leave my Carry or Troika alone for a long time, but at the same time I somehow I do that on other lanes, I control runs, I like to play mid and so on, but the patrol considers it a “violation”, and in the end I stopped doing it, because I thought that the problem was in my gameplay and what I like "wander", but in the end everything turned out to be wrong and after a while I again received a block from the Patrol I don’t know what to do and how to understand why I continue to receive bans and most likely will continue to receive them, even in the last few games I did not play Dota itself and was thinking what should I do so that the patrol will think that I am not violating. But as you can see, it didn't help

Since I have been playing Dota for a long time and know what a violation is, I cannot understand where and in what place I was violated in the last “last” games (as it is written in the violation message), I would just be glad to see the match ID together with a violation message, because I can analyze the game and understand what the problem is, but I can’t In the last game after which I received a block from the Patrol, I did not violate, but I rewatched this game and saw how my teammates, out of the blue, sent me reports due to a misunderstanding or their inattention, here is the ID of the last game - 7648930493. But even there there were no violations AT ALL and we even won. On the contrary, opponents griefed, pressed moves behind their teammates and did not connect to fights that affected the game, and none of them received a ban (I checked the dotabuff, and it does not show up in “successful complaints”), but I received...

I don’t know what to do and what to stop doing so as not to be blocked, I decided to write here because everything that’s happening is strange... Please help me in this matter And yes, I wrote to support, describing the whole situation the same way as here, they said that “the developers received and took this into account”, but this is not enough for me, since I did not receive the game ID, and at the same time I I fundamentally disagree with the very blocking from Patrol and low-priority games.

P.S. screenshot of the last game, I’m a player on Pugna, we won, and after this game I received a block, I’m not saying that “if I won, it means I didn’t violate”, but about the fact that the difference between the penultimate game and the last is 2 hours, and I was given a block immediately same after the last game, so I have the right to think that Patrol watched exactly the last game I'm not lying, you can watch the games and see for yourself I'll ask you to help me again, thanks in advance

NEW (31.03.2024)

**again received a block for 24 hours and games in low priority, I played two games Game ID 1 - 7663335934 ID 2 games - 7663382789

I didn’t violate any of them in any way, I don’t even need to remove the blocking, I just want them to tell me the match ID and the reason, so I can draw a conclusion and not do it again, but I don’t know why since I didn’t violate , in every game I played to the end, in every**

NEW 2 (21.04.2024) I was again given a block and low priority games for this game - 7696024079 Yes, I played very poorly, I made a lot of mistakes, but I definitely didn’t deserve to receive punishment from the Patrol, each of you can download the replay and watch my game and understand that I did not violate in any way to receive punishment I’m writing this for the 3rd time, but still there is no explanation anywhere about how the Patrol system works and what “violations” are. I definitely didn’t violate this game, yes I can be toxic, but I never lose the game on purpose and I get very angry when I lose

The punishment is not fair, I don’t know where and how, but I would appeal this punishment

NEW (05/31/2024) I was punished again, I did not break the rules, I did not grief, I tried very, very hard in these two games game 1 - 7768977918 game 2 - 7769121325 I wasn’t even toxic, but again, support, I received punishment( I’m sure if you watch this you will see that I did not violate and I could not have been punished in any way, but alas(

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Dum0sss commented 5 months ago

People send 6 reports per person for free, and you have to get more than one overwatch member to sentence you. So you played poorly however you see it, or there is botting problem in overwatch as it was in cs:go. Idk which. Also you can get low priority for a certain amount of reports between games. Just dont type and dont tell people you are reporting them. Also dont play offmeta every game it will lead into you accumulating reports. that's all i can tell you right now.

Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

you are wrong, since in no way should a person who plays “badly” be blamed solely and exclusively for “obstructing the game”, a person playing poorly does not interfere with the game, I should not have received a punishment

about bots - this really is the case

Why can’t I tell people that I’m complaining about them? will fly back? toxicity? it does not matter I received the punishment unfairly because I played and tried but still received a punishment in the form of a 24-hour ban and 3 games in low priority

Why shouldn't I play outside the meta? why did you write this? How does this interfere with the game?

Dum0sss commented 5 months ago

you are wrong, since in no way should a person who plays “badly” be blamed solely and exclusively for “obstructing the game”, a person playing poorly does not interfere with the game, I should not have received a punishment

about bots - this really is the case

Why can’t I tell people that I’m complaining about them? will fly back? toxicity? it does not matter I received the punishment unfairly because I played and tried but still received a punishment in the form of a 24-hour ban and 3 games in low priority

Why shouldn't I play outside the meta? why did you write this? How does this interfere with the game?

Lmao dawg, i had same thing happening, until i stopped playing offmeta, typing and playing like complete asshole. now i dont have a regular trip to lp in every 20-30 games. You are wrong, i might not pinned exact reason, but you shall do what i said there, it helps, if you want to stop getting low priority of course. With those answers no sheesh you getting bans. Also game now is averaging at 30 min. So imagine 1 guy (you), losing a game for 4 other people. You just wasted 30 mins of 4 other people. Obviously you getting 6x4 reported and send to funny place. Do your best and try to win. that's it. off meta is bad because 4-3 people in your team playing meta and you or someone else ruining whole team setup and composition by not following, even if it works you made game harder than it should be.

Dum0sss commented 5 months ago

you are wrong, since in no way should a person who plays “badly” be blamed solely and exclusively for “obstructing the game”, a person playing poorly does not interfere with the game, I should not have received a punishment about bots - this really is the case Why can’t I tell people that I’m complaining about them? will fly back? toxicity? it does not matter I received the punishment unfairly because I played and tried but still received a punishment in the form of a 24-hour ban and 3 games in low priority Why shouldn't I play outside the meta? why did you write this? How does this interfere with the game?

Lmao dawg, i had same thing happening, until i stopped playing offmeta, typing and playing like complete asshole. now i dont have a regular trip to lp in every 20-30 games. You are wrong, i might not pinned exact reason, but you shall do what i said there, it helps, if you want to stop getting low priority of course. With those answers no sheesh you getting bans.

Whatever there is, it has patterns and you shall avoid getting into them. And those who sending you to lp are the same people who you are playing with. Since overwatch cases is given by mmr rating, archon cant send immortal into lp. You probably are playing really nasty shit like brood or being a bad teammate. System is flawed but its better compared to neurobots like league or manual slow reports review, or automatic bot bans by reports quantity (which is still partly present). Game has a function to disable all chat. do that and stop being rude.

TpsArchyy commented 5 months ago

"I don’t know English, and I will translate from Russian into English through a translator, I apologize in advance for strange sentences" that being said why most of you queue to eu west? You have no business being on that server, you cant speak english in order to coordonate with others so why?

In my point of view any russian that queues to eu west should be reported and permanently put in low priority.

commentator24 commented 5 months ago

i say just ignore it and play. but on your dota 2 steam profile.. you can check account > incoming match reports image image get conduct summary per 15 games. sometimes you may think last game caused 24h / LP penalty, but could be 7 games ago? e.g. at 14/15 games to update summary? or maybe someone got your overwatch case and gave guilty verdict. but currently overwatch is broken so noone can review, and your punishments are not from overwatch.

internet issues, disconnected from game (hidden timer i think) or queuing but not accepting match? e.g. abandon at 0 min because you thought it's not shown on your history? you'll still get punished for it and may go to LP. if i look at my past reports, it seems 1-2 reports often ignored, and just around -120 score? sometimes get 3 reports but stay 12000. maybe varies / reduced by commends, but almost always 2 reported matches or 2 consecutive summary reports will cause behaviour to go down unless get at least 15 commends? 10 commends seem to do nothing as shown here. image I think reporting other players / using chatwheels excessively (but not resulting in guilty overwatch report) cause the reporter / reviewer to get penalty as well? not sure.

I'm also not sure what @Dum0sss mean by overwatch cases is given by mmr rating. im archon, got immortal cases few times. not recent though. like some immortals put their items to supports after supports stealing last hits, filling it up with branches, hiding neut items in trees or purposely blink to cliff and pretend to join teamfights casting spells and just watch team lose fight and spam good game while being the only one survived. some players do whatever they can to grief and avoid punishments once they know the criteria e.g. get xp within 5 min, afk farm jungles, never join teamfights or pretend to join teamfights. but hes right just observe the patterns and avoid it. e.g. if you getting lots of reports in turbo / rank then maybe 5man party up, play 15 ability drafts between reports.

scripting can also be an issue. very fast movements, mouse shaking, accelerating to snap on targets, or even pre-recorded / assisted movements like mouse or camera suddenly hover to active items like wands or runes or going opposite direction of where you trying to click. i notice this when they open and close scoreboard <1 second multiple times or when mouse hover to items is almost exactly centred or mouse movements looks like they're clicking some overlays other than shop. maybe thats how the script update data? i dont know. sometimes it doesnt even look like they adjust camera when chasing heroes. currently these scripts are undetectable? but maybe overwatch reports for scripting cause your behaviour to go down further. i looked at 7769121325 abit and you looked like scripting to me, especially around min 21 when you look like you just walked past wisdom rune as you're trying to place sentry and camera jumping around. maybe you simply were late / didnt join some important teamfights? I still can be wrong.

i think overwatch reports are better system than automatic bot bans too. not perfect, but there's entertainment value in reviewing them (it's funny lol), anonymity, and some fairness. Not necessary to know exact games because obviously you'll say it's unfair, did nothing wrong, no scripts macro, and simply trying your best to win in your own way. Everyone accused would say the same thing. overwatch reporters also might be wrong for giving guilty verdict to griefing / cheating, so does not always yield results immediately. anonymity is needed because in extreme cases some ppl might post to social media to say system is broken and unfair etc to incite others / lynch to ruin valv reputation, find/fire the employee creating this system if you know who created this / who reported you.

so the question should be do you have better ideas/solutions to review hundred thousands of games and get false negative or false positive reports? and why is it that when everyone is in the same situation, you get punished and not others? is it because you don't report them too? let the community decide what's griefing is not bad. bad plays can be either griefing or not griefing if the community are nice and forgiving to your bad plays. if the community want you to be punished then you should be punished eventually if you keep getting many reports. so doesn't matter if one or more reports are false or true.

maybe you complain too much and say what are they doing? why they buy this? why go there? why carry no items? why dive T3 and ppl don't like it and afterwards silently reported you for griefing whenever they find the right time (I Do that lol). maybe they just don't like you when you're completely silent / talkative in game / not speaking english and do your own thing. did you communicate to ask team should you buy this or that, where to go and let team decide?

or maybe be sarcastic instead. have you ever pretend to be positive/polite by spamming dont give up chatwheel? e.g. when teammates diving T3. then say you're sorry and sarcastically type in chat im very sorry team i shouldve said don't dive towers / roshan first / aim backlines i thought you guys know / thank you for diving. good try / please let me ward there first i had no time to ward / it's my fault i played so badly i didn't do enough dmg as support please don't report me, even though you know it's your carries fault for going to places without wards / not doing enough dmg and see what happens? Ultimately if teammates or opponents like the way you play/say, they won't report you and might even commend you (or sarcastically). so take it easy, everyone has their own ideas what is right or wrong about how to win / griefing / cheating. bad plays but win games no reports, lose games many reports. But lose games while liked by others = mayb no reports 😄

Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

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Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

Lmao dawg, i had same thing happening, until i stopped playing offmeta, typing and playing like complete asshole. now i dont have a regular trip to lp in every 20-30 games. You are wrong, i might not pinned exact reason, but you shall do what i said there, it helps, if you want to stop getting low priority of course. With those answers no sheesh you getting bans.

Whatever there is, it has patterns and you shall avoid getting into them. And those who sending you to lp are the same people who you are playing with. Since overwatch cases is given by mmr rating, archon cant send immortal into lp. You probably are playing really nasty shit like brood or being a bad teammate. System is flawed but its better compared to neurobots like league or manual slow reports review, or automatic bot bans by reports quantity (which is still partly present). Game has a function to disable all chat. do that and stop being rude.

you can’t hear me) it’s like I’m talking to a wall that writes about its topic I have another problem, everything you write is not related to me, read the second paragraph from the end - https://www.dota2.com/newsentry/3025824821114909461?l=english did you read it? did you draw conclusions? and now don’t ever write about what you shouldn’t write in the chat

you probably think that the information about the patrol on the site is already outdated, I don’t agree because if something had changed, Valve would have rolled out a post or some information about it, for example, “for toxicity, the Patrol gives blocking and games in low priority” BUT this no, no!!

Yes, and it sounds stupid from you, I play in 4-5 positions, my main task to win is to communicate, my rating is 6500, I think you have very little, so you write nonsense that does not correspond to reality

meta, in your head, if you think that I am “hindering the game” by picking a hero that YOU and all four of you don’t like, then this is your problem, since there is no prohibition anywhere, nowhere is it written that you can’t pick Meepo to the 5th position, anywhere, you write nonsense, nonsense until Valve writes new information about the Patrol where it will be written “picking outside the meta is a violation and this is “obstructing the game”

and even more so, I am a player in 4-5 positions, I always pick first and I just can’t take the “not meta” pick on the last

you wrote "Lmao dawg, i had the same thing happening, until i stopped playing offmeta, typing and playing like complete asshole" I don’t play like an asshole (and it’s very good for my rating), I pick the meta (check my dotabuff - https://www.dotabuff.com/players/243935559) but I write in the chat and for the last 2 games (for which I was given a punishment) I was not “toxic”

hahahaha very funny sentence from you "So imagine 1 guy (you), losing a game for 4 other people. You just wasted 30 mins of 4 other people." I didn’t lose games on purpose, show at least 1 game before writing this) you’re literally saying to make up something that I’m losing games on purpose, although this is not true, and your whole proposal is nonsense, what does the game time have to do with it? why should I imagine something that is not there? why are you writing this? your rating is no more than 2000, because it’s very disgusting to read

Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

there is no pattern, there are bots or people who just give punishment

why can you even assume that I "play badly" or "be a bad teammate"? where is the presumption of innocence? can you at least find the moments and show where I “obstructed the game” (obviously I will explain every action I took in the game)

there is one report that gives a punishment from the Patrol in the form of blocking and games in low priority, this is “obstructing the game” your assumption that I’m a bad teammate or play disgustingly does not fit this report and there is no way I can be punished for this

The Patrol system is bad, it’s not perfect, why won’t they show me what match I received a punishment for? Why don’t they show the moments so I can draw conclusions?

what other bots? where does the info come from? Yes, I don’t care that there are bots, these bots are wrong and I’m ready to confirm my words to the Dota developers, download the replay and I’ll explain everything every minute and tell you that I didn’t “obstruct the game” and played (I even gave a double rating in the last two games, this information is already in my favor)

WHY AM I SURE THAT I RECEIVED A PUNISHMENT FOR THE LAST TWO GAMES? look at the dotabuff, you will see 4 games on Jakiro, 2 games in a row which I won, every teammate gave me a like (8 likes in total) and then I lost two, these two games were already very bad where everyone made mistakes (what happens in every games without exception, for those like Dumos I’ll write this) In these games, everyone was angry with each other and I’m sure that someone there gave me a report for which I received punishment

TpsArchyy commented 5 months ago

Yo ruski, you know where you griefed, you know the matches dont act stupid, and since you got punished multiple times is not a ONE OFF event you consistently and knowingly throw and ruin matches just cause you want to. Gl and have fun in low priority.

"In these games, everyone was angry with each other and I’m sure that someone there gave me a report for which I received punishment" it needs more than 1 report for anything to happen, you got angry and either destroyed your items or went afk farming in jungle not helping the team or started cursing everyone in russian or you name it.. You are NOT innocent so dont act like you are!

Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

Yo ruski, you know where you griefed, you know the matches dont act stupid, and since you got punished multiple times is not a ONE OFF event you consistently and knowingly throw and ruin matches just cause you want to. Gl and have fun in low priority.

"In these games, everyone was angry with each other and I’m sure that someone there gave me a report for which I received punishment" it needs more than 1 report for anything to happen, you got angry and either destroyed your items or went afk farming in jungle not helping the team or started cursing everyone in russian or you name it.. You are NOT innocent so dont act like you are!

hi Burger, I didn’t do anything that you described in the second paragraph, I didn’t do anything, if you think I’m lying, I threw off the dotabuff, go and make sure of this by watching the game

What’s more funny to me is how I provided evidence above that no one is ever blocked or given low priority games for “toxicity”, but you literally threw out my evidence and simply wrote that “I may have insulted everyone in Russian” very disgusting

Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

Я говорю: просто игнорируй это и играй. но в вашем профиле Steam в Dota 2 вы можете проверить учетную запись> входящие отчеты о матчах и получить сводку поведения по 15 играм. иногда вы можете подумать, что последняя игра привела к штрафу в 24 часа / LP, но могло ли это быть 7 игр назад? например, при 14/15 играх обновлять сводку? или, может быть, кто-то получил ваше дело о надзоре и вынес обвинительный приговор. но в настоящее время надзор не работает, поэтому никто не может его просмотреть, и ваши наказания не связаны с надзором. изображение изображение

проблемы с интернетом, отключение от игры (думаю, скрытый таймер) или стоит в очереди, но не принимает совпадение? например, выйти на 0 минуте, потому что вы думали, что это не отображается в вашей истории? ты все равно будешь за это наказан и можешь попасть в LP. если я посмотрю на свои прошлые отчеты, то окажется, что 1-2 отчета часто игнорируются, и всего около -120 баллов? иногда получаю 3 отчета, но остается 12000. возможно, варьируется/уменьшается в зависимости от похвал, но почти всегда 2 зарегистрированных совпадения или 2 последовательных сводных отчета приведут к снижению поведения, если не будет получено хотя бы 15 похвал? 10 похвал, похоже, ничего не делают, как показано здесь. Я думаю, что сообщение о других игроках/чрезмерное использование чатов (но не приводящее к сообщению о виновности в надзоре) приведет к тому, что репортер/рецензент также получит штраф? не уверен. изображение

Я тоже не уверен, что@Dum0sssсреднее значение по случаям наблюдения определяется рейтингом ммр. Я архонт, несколько раз получал бессмертные случаи. хоть и не недавний. как некоторые бессмертные кладут свои предметы на опоры после саппортов, крадут добивания, заполняют их ветками, прячут нейтральные предметы на деревьях или намеренно моргают, чтобы упасть, и притворяются, что присоединяются к командным боям, применяя заклинания, и просто наблюдают, как команда проигрывает бой и спамит хорошей игрой, будучи лучшим выжил только один. некоторые игроки делают все возможное, чтобы гореть и избегать наказаний, если они знают критерии, например, получить опыт в течение 5 минут, фармить джунгли, никогда не вступать в командные бои и не притворяться, что присоединяются к командным боям. но он прав: просто наблюдайте за закономерностями и избегайте их. например, если вы получаете много отчетов в турбо/ранге, то, возможно, соберите группу из 5 человек и сыграйте 15 драфтов способностей между отчетами.

создание сценариев также может быть проблемой. очень быстрые движения, дрожание мыши, ускорение для захвата целей или даже заранее записанные / вспомогательные движения, такие как мышь или камера, внезапно нависают над активными объектами, такими как жезлы или руны, или двигаются в направлении, противоположном тому, где вы пытаетесь щелкнуть. Я замечаю это, когда они открывают и закрывают табло <1 секунды несколько раз, или когда наведение курсора мыши на элементы почти точно центрировано, или движения мыши выглядят так, будто они щелкают какие-то наложения, кроме магазина. может быть, именно так скрипт обновляет данные? я не знаю. иногда даже не похоже, что они настраивают камеру, преследуя героев. в настоящее время эти сценарии невозможно обнаружить? но, возможно, отчеты о надзоре за сценариями заставят ваше поведение еще больше ухудшиться. Я посмотрел на 7769121325 abit, и ты показался мне сценаристом, особенно где-то на 21 минуте, когда ты выглядишь так, будто только что прошел мимо руны мудрости, пытаясь разместить прыгающего часового и камеру. может быть, ты просто опоздал/не присоединился к каким-то важным командным боям? Я все еще могу ошибаться.

Я думаю, что отчеты Overwatch — лучшая система, чем автоматический бан ботов. не идеально, но их рассмотрение имеет развлекательную ценность (забавно, лол), анонимность и некоторую справедливость. Не обязательно знать точные игры, потому что, очевидно, вы скажете, что это несправедливо, не сделал ничего плохого, не использовал макросы сценариев и просто старался изо всех сил выиграть по-своему. Все обвиняемые сказали бы одно и то же. Репортеры Overwatch также могут ошибаться, вынося обвинительный приговор за гриферство/мошенничество, поэтому не всегда это дает немедленные результаты. анонимность необходима, потому что в крайних случаях некоторые люди могут публиковать сообщения в социальных сетях, чтобы сказать, что система сломана и несправедлива и т. д., чтобы подстрекать других / линчевать, чтобы разрушить репутацию valv, найдите / уволите сотрудника, создающего эту систему, если вы знаете, кто это создал / кто сообщил о вас .

Итак, вопрос должен заключаться в следующем: есть ли у вас лучшие идеи/решения для проверки сотен тысяч игр и получения ложноотрицательных или ложноположительных отчетов? и почему, когда все в одинаковой ситуации, наказывают тебя, а не других? это потому, что ты тоже не сообщаешь о них? пусть сообщество решит, что такое горе, это неплохо. плохие игры могут быть либо огорчающими, либо не огорчающими, если сообщество мило и прощает ваши плохие игры. если сообщество хочет, чтобы вы были наказаны, то в конечном итоге вы должны быть наказаны, если вы продолжаете получать много жалоб. поэтому не имеет значения, являются ли одно или несколько сообщений ложными или правдивыми.

может быть, вы слишком много жалуетесь и говорите, что они делают? почему они это покупают? зачем туда идти? почему не носить с собой никаких вещей? почему погружение T3 и людям это не нравится, а потом молча сообщали о том, что вы гриферите, когда они находят подходящее время (я так и делаю, лол). возможно, ты им просто не нравишься, когда ты совершенно молчалив/разговорчив в игре/не говоришь по-английски и занимаешься своими делами. Вы связывались с командой, чтобы спросить, стоит ли вам покупать то или иное, куда пойти и позволить команде решить?

или, может быть, вместо этого быть саркастичным. Вы когда-нибудь притворялись позитивным/вежливым, рассылая спам, не бросайте чат? например, когда товарищи по команде ныряют в Т3. затем скажите, что вы извиняетесь, и с сарказмом напишите в чате: «Мне очень жаль, команда, я должен был сказать, не ныряйте в башни / сначала Рошан / цельтесь в задние линии, я думал, вы, ребята, знаете / спасибо за погружение». хорошая попытка / пожалуйста, сначала дайте мне вард там, у меня не было времени ставить вард / это моя вина, я играл так плохо, я не нанес достаточно урона в качестве поддержки, пожалуйста, не сообщайте мне, даже если вы знаете, что это ваша вина керри, что вы пошли в места без вардов/недостаточный урон и посмотрим, что произойдет? В конечном счете, если товарищам по команде или противникам нравится, как вы играете/говорите, они не будут жаловаться на вас и даже могут похвалить вас (или саркастически). так что успокойтесь, у каждого свои представления о том, что правильно, а что нет в том, как победить / огорчить / обмануть. плохие игры, но выигрышные игры без отчетов, проигрышные игры со многими отчетами. Но проигрывать игры, пока они нравятся другим = возможно, никаких отчетов 😄

you're wrong there is a lot of unnecessary information not on my topic, but there are also very good suggestions, and at least (which I’m glad about) you watched the replay

I answer, at that moment I pinged the tinker so that he would take the rune (he has a very low level, but for a tinker this is critical) look at my cursor that I pinged him, as a result I ended up in his mute (I didn’t know that)

I am punished because there is too much variability in the support game, which means many times you can make very stupid mistakes, from special deaths (so that your carry or mid player does not die (for example, I had a lot of moments where my carry did not see the enemy smoke that was coming in him, and I see but I can't say because I'm in his mute, and I go and die so that he notices the heroes and leaves (as a result, which is very confusing, the same carry pings me like I'm dead and I'm in a tavern) )) and also, for example, from going into the fog of war to place a ward, but you die because they were waiting there (yes, an error, but definitely not “obstructing the game”) but there are a lot of such moments for supports in one game, and if everyone is on each other A friend will be reported, who will the patrol recognize?

The most interesting thing is that in that game Tinker of position 4 did not receive anything, although objectively he played worse than me (by the way, he is not a meta hero at all for this position, but the guy with the nickname Dum0sss will not look at this and will not point out, because he is fixed on me and does not think objectively because of their 2000 rating)))

I think the problem was in the game - 7768977918 which is the second, not the first in this game I had a high ping by the way, I couldn’t play normally once or twice I even had to quit, but for this I definitely shouldn’t have received punishment in the form of 24 hours and 3 games in low priority

and I advise you not to tell me to calm down and calm down to tell other people when you don't know why and why I received punishment, your opinion and assumption are not true since you don't know for what moments and for what exactly I received punishment, and why everything what you write, you “affirm” and are confident that you are right 4000 player tells how to play and what to do for 6500 player) very funny friend

and the most important thing I wrote not for you but for Valve since Steam support constantly points me here, and to refer to Steam support that I don't give a damn and I'm ready to cooperate and write here as the support says, and so that they would pay attention on this strange Patrol

Dum0sss commented 5 months ago

You are trying to appeal me as not competent, because you don't like my answers, everything I said is based on my expertise, I didn't receive a single case higher than my rank over 30+ cases. And everytime I sentenced somebody it was deserved. Only real overwatch problem is that it's not allowing for full replay review, only given part. So there is exploit. By tilting and griefing someone early you can overwatch them later and people won't see what happened, it's really easy to abuse as support player. So overall it seems like your case been fair, you are just delusional. The whole reason why they won't tell you the problem is because you are going to adapt and keep griefing games. It has happened before in other games, you shouldn't try to find a reason, better try communicating nonverbally, pings and chat wheel are plenty, league or other games don't even have that.

TpsArchyy commented 5 months ago

Just let the ruski stay in low priority for a while, 1-2 months should be a good start.

Menthol3 commented 5 months ago

You are trying to appeal me as not competent, because you don't like my answers, everything I said is based on my expertise, I didn't receive a single case higher than my rank over 30+ cases. And everytime I sentenced somebody it was deserved. Only real overwatch problem is that it's not allowing for full replay review, only given part. So there is exploit. By tilting and griefing someone early you can overwatch them later and people won't see what happened, it's really easy to abuse as support player. So overall it seems like your case been fair, you are just delusional.

Yes, I don’t like them, but I justified why, why are you writing something further?? just give counterarguments and don't say "I don't like the answers" I wrote why for each point why I think you are wrong... Why are you behaving so disgustingly?

if everyone you condemned was deserved, download the replay of my game - 7768977918 find at least one moment where I “impeded the normal game”

It's good that you wrote "it seems" in the last sentence, you learn from mistakes, well done

TpsArchyy commented 5 months ago

You are trying to appeal me as not competent, because you don't like my answers, everything I said is based on my expertise, I didn't receive a single case higher than my rank over 30+ cases. And everytime I sentenced somebody it was deserved. Only real overwatch problem is that it's not allowing for full replay review, only given part. So there is exploit. By tilting and griefing someone early you can overwatch them later and people won't see what happened, it's really easy to abuse as support player. So overall it seems like your case been fair, you are just delusional.

Yes, I don’t like them, but I justified why, why are you writing something further?? just give counterarguments and don't say "I don't like the answers" I wrote why for each point why I think you are wrong... Why are you behaving so disgustingly?

if everyone you condemned was deserved, download the replay of my game - 7768977918 find at least one moment where I “impeded the normal game”

It's good that you wrote "it seems" in the last sentence, you learn from mistakes, well done

nobody gives a flying fuck about your griefing ass dude. take it as a man and move on, if you wanna do something for a while outside i heard your country is recruiting cannon meat for ukraine, gl there.

Dum0sss commented 5 months ago

Just let the ruski stay in low priority for a while, 1-2 months should be a good start.

Lmao why are you still here? Overwatch doesn't let you see profile or any other info to know who is who. You are being racist. If you played Cs2 you would be saying those things about Turks or polish? Cis region is majority of dota community and they all speak Russian. You just giving people reason to report you

wollframium commented 3 months ago

Гейб сломал ситстему репортов, и систему подбора союзников. и врятли он её починит, он сможет только все усугубить. выход единственный выбратся с лоу поряды, это создать новый ак а на старый просто забить. хотя лично я кидаю 9 репортов каждому из союзников в каждой игре когда матч плохой. так же хочу добавить что в турбо зайдействована система одно воротных матчей, когда с самого начала противник играет сильнее чем ты, или наоборот слабее и как бы ты хорошо не играл протинвинку изначально подкручена победа или поражение. в обычных матчах такого нет, или оно не так ярко выражено. у меня было отключено все из за порядочности, и я играл плохо, мне кидали репорты, репорты снижали порядочность еще ниже, но разве должна снижатся порядочность за плохую игру? поэтому я стал так же кидать всем кто играет плохо или хорошо, а так же раз неделю удалять доту, и желать гейбу нюелу умереть в мучениях, он сломал игру. он много чего сломал в надежде заработать больше денег, так как это капитализм, но я уверен что он расчитывал на большую прибыл а получил меньшую чем до того как он лез и ломал все. ему нужно уволить всех, и нанять новых сотрудников, а так же скорее всего уолить себя, потому что он изжил себя, слишком прогнил мудила.