Hand of Midas exploit

[drakedog777]

Item name

Hand of Midas

Description

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1f1hyyl/new_midas_refresh_exploit/

Dropping HoM then buying and instantly selling a new one will refresh the charges on the dropped one.

Example Match ID and Timestamp

N/A

[commentator24]

please fix this. this is not cool

may i suggest - a temporary fix is to set a stock limit on hand midas to 1 per player/ team or even 5 max just like buying sentries until you guys found a proper solution? this way people cannot abuse this @kisak-valve

[maiorescuioandan]

Another one with the same bug: ID 7915168899

Is there any action taken on these players? User ID in question: https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198141315602/

[wandfel35]

thing is its fixed or no? i know how to use this bug but thats just dishonorable. i want to play this game not abuse to easy wins that's what losers would do. 7914969669, 7914879845 my experience.

[Skreamex]

temporary fix: if player purchased HoM more than one time, make its sell price 50%

[danipralea]

everyone is abusing this. literally every single one of my games has a lot of people abusing this

[stefanweiser]

temporary fix: if player purchased HoM more than one time, make its sell price 50%

is this a proposal or a statement?

[Skreamex]

temporary fix: if player purchased HoM more than one time, make its sell price 50%

is this a proposal or a statement?

its proposal, sir

[stefanweiser]

temporary fix: if player purchased HoM more than one time, make its sell price 50%

is this a proposal or a statement?

its proposal, sir

just hoped that this will get a quick fix today xD, but yes I would support such a quick'n'dirty hack, although I'm not working for them :-(

[bwvalve]

This issue should be fixed. Please reopen with a matchID if it happens after the most recent update.

[lze81pg1]

because people who have done this in the past 12 hours are used to using cheats in DOTA, suddenly a free version of cheats is available they gonna abuse it like nobody's business. Just rollback mmr from everybody since 12 hours ago.

[LokeLok]

@bwvalve bugged in another way now: https://old.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1f1xl2a/there_is_still_midas_bug_even_after_update_just/

1. Have Midas in inventory
2. Buy Midas in stash
3. Drop Midas from inventory
4. Sell Midas in stash
5. Pick up Midas

Midas is also bugged with Tempest Double: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues/21260

[bwvalve]

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Dota2-Gameplay/issues/21379

[fsbahman]

This is one recent match Id that this abuse was used by Ogre in the game: 7915642107

[slickbits]

still bugged. just finished the match now. Vengeful enjoying the bug.

21382

[bwvalve]

This issue should be fixed (again). Please reopen with a matchID if it happens after the most recent update.

[Avarise831]

This issue should be fixed (again). Please reopen with a matchID if it happens after the most recent update.

Alchemist abuse courier with midas - match id 7915855868

[stefanweiser]

@bwvalve Pls reopen. The bug works now like:

put 1st midas into courier -> buy 2nd to stash -> sell 2nd -> get 1st midas

• on reddit there are rumors on abusing this with the spirit bear

You could limit some items to just one instance per player.

[gelo0313]

@bwvalve

New bug arose.

• If Midas has 1 charge, and you move it to your backpack then back to inventory, you can't use it until the cooldown for the second charge is finished.
• If Midas has 1 charge, and you dropped it and picked it up, you can't use it until the cooldown for the second charge is finished.

Other observations.

• If Midas has 1 charge, you dropped it, picked it up using courier, then transfer it back to your hero, this fixes the cooldown bug.
• If Midas has 2 charges, this bug doesn't happen.

Here's the video I uploaded on reddit.

[stefanweiser]

sounds like the code base is a huge nightmare for the devs

[thewitcher123]

You could limit some items to just one instance per player.

probably this is related to the way it works with Doom and his facet ability to sell items for 90% cost. they should probably investigate more here.

[stefanweiser]

@thewitcher123 Nah, in the first seconds after bying something you can sell everything for 100%.

[Sheyla998]

new bug 1h ago, now theyre using heroes to trade midas instead of dropping it, #21398

[zamaniafshar]

how about to just lock this item until refactor code base and fix all bugs? it seems the new changes have made the code base so complicated and hard to maintain.

[zamaniafshar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lWNprULiFQ

[dev-cyprium]

@bwvalve please open the issue, still works, in a different way

[LiamWalsh98]

a few things to i have noticed while digging into this.

!! (Only tested in demo and private server)

1. If a player is in the first server slot (i.e. radiant blue), any use of their Midas will override the cooldown and charges of every single Midas in the game (in all inventories, allied and enemy) to reflect itself.
2. Any player that is not in the first slot can own multiple Hand of Midas which do not share cooldown with eachother.

This also means that some of these midas bugs' reproducibility would be affected depending on whether or not the hero in server slot 0 is being used.

Also another weird quirk:

In certain cases, when a hero has a Midas in its inventory that is owned by a different hero, its cooldown will tick down 50% slower (i.e. 1s off cooldown for every 2s elapsed). Though it seems that this is resolved when returned; the cooldown jumps back to what it would have been if it was ticking normally.

[bwvalve]

This issue should be fixed (again again). Please reopen with a matchID if it happens after the most recent update.

[drakedog777]

Apparently there is a bug with how Octarine Core interacts with Hand of Midas.

It can even cause the Hand of Midas to go into negative charges and crash the game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1f32uk7/new_midas_bug_almost_infinite/

[AxisKiku]

@bwvalve Hand of Midas applies CD reduction from Octarine Core every time it is picked up from the ground

21417

[gelo0313]

Hi @bwvalve ,

I don't know how to reopen this thread, so I just created #21419 with Match ID for your review. You may close it as duplicate. :)

[gelo0313]

Hi @bwvalve

I saw the last update but Midas is still not working with Ogre's Multicast. See video below where Multicast x3 was triggered but Midas only worked on a single neutral creep.

Match ID: 7917818284 Time stamp: 0:00:05

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/6927ec8c-965a-483c-91cf-631b00b2e86d

[bwvalve]

Ogre Midas should be fixed in an upcoming update today. Please comment with a MatchID or a video if this issue persists after the next update.

Octarine (and other forms of CDR) issues and Bottle issues should be fixed as of the 2 AM PST patch today. Please comment with a MatchID or a video if this issue is reproducible after the 2 AM patch.

[AxisKiku]

Hi @bwvalve there's a new Midas bug and it's easily exploitable #21442

[poecco]

just tested this, needs fix https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1f3z7cj/just_checked_bug_with_midas_is_still_in_the_game/

Choose Techies with the Spoon Stash aspect

1. Buy Midas
2. Drop and pick Midas
3. Move between inventory and backpack and use Midas

[booshack]

I do not envy you, Dota devs, but surely there is some foundational change you can make to Midas and backpack, instead of coding an exception for every new case that crops up, to save yourself all of this time and effort??

[gelo0313]

Hi @bwvalve

Another bug. Perhaps we can temporarily disable techies from hero pool.

1. Pick Techies and choose Spoon's Stash Facet
2. Buy Hand of Midas
3. Use 2 charges
4. Move Hand of Midas from inventory to backpack
5. Move Hand of Midas from backpack to inventory
6. Bug result: It will instantly refresh Hand of Midas back to 2 charges

Custom Lobby Match ID: 7919344808 In-game Time Stamp: 5:56

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/c6fa6b72-de66-49d5-bbb3-f739f564d873

Linking to duplicate reports

21450

21442

21451

21452

[slickbits]

21468

Still midas bug on techies

[ctyar]

I'm not sure it's usefull or not, but another matchID: https://www.opendota.com/matches/7919314467

[shaharlinial]

@bwvalve Why do you keep closing these issues? they are still happening.

[shaharlinial]

1 Minute ago: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/7919780173

[bwvalve]

Techies Midas should be fixed with the most recent update. Please comment with a MatchID if it persists after the ~12:45 PM Pacific update.

[abeninski]

Techie bug happened just now: https://www.opendota.com/matches/7919862688 But maybe the game started before the update?

[drakedog777]

@bwvalve

Morphling can still abuse the Techies Hand of Midas bug when he is morphed into Techies.

[bwvalve]

Reopening for Techies + Morphling. Please comment with MatchIDs and/or videos for any other Hand of Midas issues after the ~12:45 PM update.

[LokeLok]

The 12:45 PM update, also reintroduced Tempest Double putting allies' Hand of Midas on cooldown bug.

[bwvalve]

Current list of issues:

• Techies + Morphling
• Tempest Double

Please comment with MatchIDs and/or videos for any other Hand of Midas issues after the ~12:45 PM update.

[Aluerie]

Mechanic of rebuying midas got changed. Steps:

1. Buy a fresh Midas (it has 1 charge, immediately starts ticking cooldown for the 2nd charge)
2. Sell Midas
3. Buy a new midas

Result:

• Previously (before this week) you'd get 1 charge total with a fresh cd for 2nd.
• Now: the cooldown ticks further which allows for the new midas to have 2 charges right away.

Video was made with host_timescale 10 to be short. But the point is the midas cd wouldn't go past 1 charge ready while being "back in the shop".

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/09899ae1-3e8c-4c60-b1cd-b789b063a14a

Maybe, it's an intended consequence of fixes but just informing in case it wasn't intentional. Balance-wise it can matter for Doom with Devil's Bargain facet.

[Aluerie]

And another thing about (re-)buying midas:

It doesn't have 10 seconds protection timer for accidental purchases anymore - neither the first purchase nor secondaries. Selling price is immediately set to 1100, while there supposed to be 10 seconds where it's allowed to sell it for the full price / fully disassemble it like other items can be.

https://github.com/user-attachments/assets/0a14f44a-875a-4188-847a-7b5c4bc180f7

[LokeLok]

Turns out the Tempest Double can also give allies Hand of Midas charges as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1f4s0rs/arc_warden_midas_bug/

[Redict]

Next iteration for Lone Druid, different kind of a bug. https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1f4woxs/lone_druid_midas_bug/