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LOCKdown for decreasing behaviour points - (valve broke dota community and your friends list) #21479

Open alexeik opened 1 month ago

alexeik commented 1 month ago

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It is very sad problem with decreasing behaviour score... It makes everyone sad , cause no one knows how to deal with haters , who throws reports for nothing. And locked player can not talk even in his party. Lockdown from Party and Players ...

Valve very irresponsible for community.

  1. Your broke dota in favor of cyberworkers (yeah someone calls them cybersportmens..)
  2. Your broke community in favor of coward
  3. You broke everything we have , now nobody cares about your shitty international

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IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

20578 #21667 possible related issues

alexeik commented 1 month ago

@IgorHoruzha no it is not that. It topic about lockdown player on place with no exit :) you dont know how you were placed here and dont know how to exit from... it is about stupid system

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

It topic about lockdown player on place with no exit :)|

I see that You are not very happy about the Behavior system. Would You like to discuss the issue, in purpose of finding the reason and possible solutions. It is important to understand does the system work as intended, and there any abuses or unintended consequences.

you dont know how you were placed here and dont know how to exit from...

It sounds a bit sad. May the question be in motivation to find Yourself an appropriate way to go?

it is about stupid system

Could You express Your opinion about the Behavior system in depth, please? Are there any possible improvements for the Behavior system, that may make the system better, in Your opinion?

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

no it is not that.

Could You describe the difference, please?

alexeik commented 1 month ago

@IgorHoruzha why do you only questions me? :) the only way to make community it better is not use [secretiveness] in this BehSystem. Player must know who liked and who disliked him. When you know who dislikes you, you can do something with self. And there is no way with that .

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

why do you only questions me? :)

On of the main reasons that this issue is active, and the information about the issue is on Your side.

the only way to make community it better is not use [secretiveness] in this BehSystem.

The question is if the BehSystem will be secretiveness how will it help users to reflect on Beh changing? What the main benefit of secretiveness in BehSystem in Your opinion?

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

Player must know who liked and who disliked him. When you know who dislikes you, you can do something with self.

In general, it sounds interesting. How often players send dislike silently in Your experience? How knowing whom send a report may help in reflection in Your opinion?

This link might be useful as evidence for reports. By using it, it’s possible to understand how many reports were made every 15 matches.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/*PLACE_YOUR_STEAM_ID_HERE*/gcpd/570/?category=Account&tab=MatchPlayerReportIncoming

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Why it is important in Your opinion to know whom exactly send a report in cases where sender did it silently? What if sender preferer to stay anonymous?

alexeik commented 1 month ago

@IgorHoruzha if you attack me with report u must be visible. If not , you must be restricted to send reports. When player sees every negative reports he can decide what to do... he will decide because negative feedback very strong but positive. Everyone must drill down negavite reports by oneself. After this report got overwatch report , it must be approved with some status. This will teach player to hold well in community.

You must know that there is no dota community. Its very diversed crowd, someone know what repost for, someone used them to attack players... for nothing( or in the case of loss)

Its peoples and you must not allow to bite someone silently - this system get deserved to be shit system with no trust. Its like a sniper attacks you from behind and ... its not what people used to in real life.

alexeik commented 1 month ago

Low priority pool was nice system. But Valve changed it... and this nice system that teach you to play gone... it is very hard to get into it. Now is the era of BehSystem... and it does nothing..for everyone of us. BehSYstem disallow you to play than teaches you to play as LP did. While you were in LP you gets new freinds... Now you seatdown in lockdown and dont know what to do because you restricted in communications and other things.

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

@IgorHoruzha if you attack me with report u must be visible.

What benefits it may give?

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

If not , you must be restricted to send reports.

Could You provide any information about the mechanism of avoid abusing reports making mistakes, please?

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

@IgorHoruzha if you attack me with report u must be visible.

Why do 15 matches is not enough to recognize an attack, in Your opinion?

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

You must know that there is no dota community. Its very diversed crowd, someone know what repost for, someone used them to attack players... for nothing( or in the case of loss)

Do You have any statistics on whether this type of report counts?

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

Its peoples and you must not allow to bite someone silently - this system get deserved to be shit system with no trust. Its like a sniper attacks you from behind and ... its not what people used to in real life.

I see Your point, the question will the report count? IMO It doesn't meter how much reports were sent if they do not count or have no essential effect at least.

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

Low priority pool was nice system. But Valve changed it... and this nice system that teach you to play gone... it is very hard to get into it. Now is the era of BehSystem... and it does nothing..for everyone of us. BehSYstem disallow you to play than teaches you to play as LP did. While you were in LP you gets new freinds... Now you seatdown in lockdown and dont know what to do because you restricted in communications and other things.

Does it meant that Single Draft is not allowed to play on Your account?

alexeik commented 1 month ago

@IgorHoruzha hmm.. so many questions. LP is not about SD mode. LP is about get freinds to get out from LP and you need communications. It worked. BeHSystem do nothing . Just doing your lockdown more tihgtly and you loose freinds.

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

@IgorHoruzha hmm.. so many questions. LP is not about SD mode. LP is about get freinds to get out from LP and you need communications. It worked. BeHSystem do nothing . Just doing your lockdown more tihgtly and you loose freinds.

I see Your point, could You share Your experience of playing LP and finding friends, please? What the difference You see between communication in LP and communications in high behavior scores? What is the main difference between get out from LP and get out from Low Behavior scores rating, You feel?

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

hmm.. so many questions.

Sorry for that, the more information will be provided the more exact data will be. I do not mind If You answer only to those questions, You are able or want to. So, It would be great if You answer to as much questions as possible.