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Behavior Score Update is Necessary #21667

Open vanndano opened 2 months ago

vanndano commented 2 months ago

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The current BS system does not take into account that lower BS players will report for almost any reason. Gaining 100-150 BS For a conduct update where you get 29 commends but 1 match your team decides to turn against you and reports you once or twice is completely against what the system is supposed to do. Its been a long time since Ive stopped responding to ally toxicity. Half of the time I dont even use comms to avoid being the target of their frustration. And every game no matter how bad it is I still try to win, but the way reports are weaponized, there is no verification before BS is deducted. The worst part is, I watch people streaming 12k games and there are slur spammers, people literally breaking their items or afk jungling, and they dont even get a slap on the wrist. No one will stay playing this game just to grind Behavior score, and I am convinced the player base will continue to fickle if this isnt addressed. Valve please put a more intent solution image

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zeev027 commented 1 month ago

21194 possible related issue. specially if u have a 5kbelow BS it is definitely hard to gain BS, random reports . the bs update every 15 games (normal) sometimes i gain 200-300 after 15games (15hours of playing) but 1 report might decrease it -200 -500 or even -1k. Since in lower BS we cant chat we normally ping'ed the map when we want to go. but excessive pingging will just decrease your BS .

I already tried playing without pinging the map nor items or hero. but still on every 15 games . If ever 1 of those game you got 1 report you already wasted your 15hours of playing until it would be updated . its like hell tbh. I , myself want to play Dota but it is hard to waste time just because of this matter and not enjoying the game.

Could You provide more details, please? Could You provide Your Match Player Report Incoming, please?

https://steamcommunity.com/id/*PLACE_YOUR_STEAM_ID_HERE*/gcpd/570/?category=Account&tab=MatchPlayerReportIncoming

are you a dev perhaps ? I already message Wykrhm Reddy about this one. because idk any other person that can help us regarding this matter . and if you are a dev I might aswell send you some details regarding my BS and history of my games. Tho most of the comments here already given you all the data necessary (vann & armin).

if you're behavior score is less than 6k probably you'll understand.

PS: you cant argue with me and use the same 10k-12k behaviour points of yours also if ur not dev just dont reply on the thread. thank you

vanndano commented 1 month ago

No im not a dev, I just want people that say "when you get reported in x game and that game my behavior went down a lot" there is a tool that actually states that and tabulates it. You can see it in the body of the post I made and the replies. And I do understand, Ive been in many behavior score brackets, ive gone to LP with 2 reports from 1 single game that didnt even go to overwatch, im calling for the system to be changed. Im convinced its the #1 reason why this game hasnt grown. I just dont want a lot of salty tears to dilute that message.

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

are you a dev perhaps ?

I'm a dev but currently I do not a Valve employee. I have some interest in interesting especially questionable issues. Like this one, or Your one. People usually send a lot of data, but the data is usually not in format that is clear to work with. The purpose is to validate, discover, reproduce, find the clues and try to help showing them as clear as possible. So, increase the chances of that the issue will not be send to low priority pull. Like some of other issues of this GitHub repository. Active, clear issues are easier and faster to work with than vague or inactive ones.

Sometimes the issue is on a User side, and it may be found and solved even without attention of Valve developers. Like in here #21730

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

if you're behavior score is less than 6k probably you'll understand.

PS: you cant argue with me and use the same 10k-12k behaviour points of yours also if ur not dev just dont reply on the thread. thank you

I'm not here to argue with anyone. I'm interested in the data, its reliability, whether and how the issue works in the real world. In Your case, it would be helpful to understand whether the issue is on Your side or with the Behavior System. Not everyone with an issue is likely experiencing it because of way Behavior system works. For example, in issue #21116, I think the user doesn't fully understand the reason, possibly because the way he communicates is normal in his local environment.

Discovering Your situation could be useful in understanding whether the Behavior score system works as intended. A low behavior score isn’t necessarily a punishment, it's more of an opportunity to play with people who share similar values.

IgorHoruzha commented 1 month ago

if you are a dev I might aswell send you some details regarding my BS and history of my games.

It's up to You, feel free in decisions what data and whether to send. Is important to know that here is open and enough anonymous repository, any user may write almost any data, even falsie. So, if the words have no proves, and unlikely to be true on the first short discovering, the consequence may be that the issue become to that have informational nature that is not intended more than read and think for a while about the issue. IMO there are some ways that may increase the priority of the issue, proves and details that will give more opportunities to understand the nature of the issue and potentially solve it faster.