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[phunk666]

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Good afternoon, I don’t understand the rules, so I want to ask a question, I have an ancient 3, and I want to create a new second account, not for smurf or boost, but for playing with friends, if the account is mine and not purchased, and the rating will not be Below is the legend. I won’t get a block on my main account? Is it possible to create such an account?

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[IgorHoruzha]

It is interesting question. I have some information to You that I managed to get using Chat GPT.

Personally, I think that if You play on a smurf account the same way as on Your main account, without any abusive or harmful actions, the chances of getting banned are much lower. In My opinion, the main issue isn't the fact that You have a smurf account, but rather the way it's used, the reason for it, and its purpose.

There are some tips:

If You have only one smurf account, and have a brother or sister, You may say that Your main and a smurf account have different owners, in worst case.

Also, this question may be useful ask to Steam support.

[IgorHoruzha]

And one more possible consequence that is important to know about: #20423

[phunk666]

the thing is that I don’t want smurf and so on, it’s just strange that my friend having legend 5 can play with everyone, but starting from ancient 1 I can’t play with anyone until knight 1, I just want to play a computer game with friends, abuse mmr Smurfs and boosts don't interest me at all. And in fact, the change to legend 5 from ancient 3 will not create a strong imbalance in party selection

[Meeshoo]

I doubt you will get a response from the devs here. But I think if you create a new account to play in a different rank it is considered a smurf and is not allowed.

[phunk666]

where can I try to find out a clear answer from them?

[IgorHoruzha]

where can I try to find out a clear answer from them?

I managed to find using GPT Chat:

So, here is an official Dota 2 blog with official position: Smurfing is Not Welcome in Dota.

[commentator24]

No you play at your own risk getting banned on both accounts. Usually not banned unless you or your 'friend' are involved in dodgy activities or bad behaviour. It's always a friend that does something weird isnt it.

Sure, you may disagree with some rules e.g. MMR too far apart forced you to create new account to play ranked with friends. You may think there is no harm in smurfing and what you do doesn't affect others. You just wanted to have fun with friends, but think about how toxic dota 2 community is and the mental harm when players are winning/losing, getting upset over 40 minute games.

Some customers paid dotaplus to avoid players. Casual players maybe only have time for 1 game a day and matched against your new account. would this be fair? Rank system is not perfect but thats what we currently get unless you have better ideas. you dont care about abusing mmr or boosting, just wanted to play together. But that's exactly why smurfing is not welcome in dota 2. you don't care about your new account. Not your main. win / lose doesn't matter to you, like playing normal matches. And you won't spend any money into new accounts. Steam doesn't like this. if you just want to play together why must it be ranked then? but you refuse to play normal matches just because you want to play rank with your friends. it's all about you. you may think you're a nice person, but not caring about the rules means you're behaving badly. Like saying why care at all about steam subscriber agreement and any terms of use/service like account ownership, responsibilities, etc. Why care about rules or community guidelines at all if not punished for breaking the rules? you may say you won't do anything bad, but the possibility is always there. Depends on how many reports you get. if you blend in without getting many reports maybe nothing bad happens? But if you really care about good behaviour and fair conduct then respect the rules etc even if you disagree with them / simply accepted without reading it.

if forgot to accept match / receive low priority / playing arcade and receive 5-30 min timeout penalty, now you can just switch account too. Convenient. if smurf account got banned when you're not even playing ranked and just playing arcade / turbo to reach 100 hours required for ranked, you could try contact steam support but they won't tell you why. Maybe you try using different internet, pc, and maybe even borrowed friends mobile number to avoid being found out. How would they know? But it doesn't matter, it's a smurf account. Here's an illustration of possible scenarios. maybe you can add more:

if you keep winning or want to help your friend winning, thats boosting. if you keep losing together, thats bad behaviour. Any penalties does not apply to you. Simply switch to main account right? Dont care how many reports on new account. No valuable items there and ratings wont affect you. maybe after you both keep winning 10-100x, your friend lose all their games without you until they're pushed to original rank, maybe also lose 10-15 games in a row due to 50% winrate algorithm. you're basically ruining the experience of 10-100x2 games with+without you because the algorithm cannot keep up with sudden changes. you misled the performance metrics / algorithm. Don't care, how could this be your fault if you're not in those games right? well thats 4x100 up to 400 teammates affected by your initial smurfing, and another 500 players affected because they had easier/tougher games. 10% maybe 10 out of 100 games your friend gets reported. these 40 ppl may report your friend. I may sound toxic and exaggerating, but the act of 1 smurf always affect 9 others. can affect hundreds of players to reach 100 hours in the first place. now imagine there are ten thousands of smurfs like you out of 300k active players, how many players would be affected? What's the benefit in all this? just so you can play rank with your friend and have fun while others have easier/tougher games? Very selfish thinking isn't it.

Next, you keep winning until smurf account reach ancient too. Now you have 2 ancient accounts and want to play with another friend MMR too far apart. Time to create another new account. When will this end?

Next, you gifted smurf ancient acc to your friend so you both can play together. Maybe you secretly ask for gifts, money, or items outside steam for doing this. It takes time to help them rank up higher. That's exactly why people buy accounts. They just want to have fun and avoid bad players. Some people even buy low rank accounts because its more fun to play vs bad players. They can keep winning/losing without worrying about any consequences. because they'll just go back to their main account later. Maybe you don't really buy or sell accounts and just lending it to local friends. maybe your friend just wanted to secretly gift something and appreciate you doing this because lower rank games were so bad. Steam won't know. How would they know? I don't know :)

Next, you receive giftable/tradable items so you gifted it to your main account or your friends. then maybe your friend doesn't really like it and sell it on steam market or outside steam. earn a bit of money but not reporting the income according to tax laws of that country. Or maybe your friend was involved in scams or fraudulent schemes. e.g. using third party trading sites like gambling items, trade for gift cards, cheating with scripts etc. It wasn't you. how can you be responsible too if your friend engaged in illegal account buying and selling, or fraudulent activities? you dont know this. or maybe you were playing at net cafe / VPN and IP address keep changing. Thats what all scammers would say. Their friend and not them. Or their account got hacked.

Next you'll say your account maybe hacked or your friend did something to it. it's always the friend or family and not you. then you'll say it's not fair if account got banned but they don't tell the reason for it. you'll say you dont cheat with third party programs or avoid penalties. you don't even behave badly in normal/ranked etc. typical stories of innocent players falsely banned. steam support won't tell you why your accounts get banned. if they tell you then you'll know what they found out and it'll be more difficult to detect others doing the same thing next time. Then you'll say unfair report system you're being unfairly reported, broken system etc. But others are saying the same thing. why are smurfs and cheaters not punished properly for ruining their game and time spent? Arent 9 paying customers more valuable than 1 smurf? Winning or losing you're ruining other players experience because the algorithm trying to balance it to 50% win rate for all players. The act of 1 person always affect 9 others.

In short, some ppl takes gaming seriously and you're disrespecting everyone and the rules if you're trying to circumvent it to have fun. Even if you're a nice person or maybe just don't know / don't care about the rules, then maybe start to realise that the algorithm is perhaps there to balance the games and make it fair and fun for everyone before you even find match. In my opinion by smurfing you're not really helping the algorithm statistics and just make it worse for future games / many others. Then people complain why algorithm is not working and devs will need to design new algorithm because of players like you, that's why i'm also against smurfing. If you don't know your friend very well, you'll probably lose anyway so just play normal games first or coach until you can play together, that might be more helpful and fun by improving their plays so you can play together next time.

[IgorHoruzha]

where can I try to find out a clear answer from them?

But it does not mean that second account will definitely be banned:

It depends on a way the account is going use in fact.

[IgorHoruzha]

@phunk666 Additionally You could try to play a party of 5, it will significantly increase rank difference that is allowed. So You would not need to have a surf account to have fun with friends.

[phunk666]

this is the problem, I can’t play 5 people with half of my friends, I understand the harm of a smurf, but the boundaries are too strict, conditional guard 5 will not be able to play with ancient 1, but knight 1 or legend 5 can easily play this, although it varies literally can be no more than 100mmr, I am writing through a translator, so some of my statements may not sound correct, I don’t care about mmr, and no one wants to play without a rating, since there is no guarantee in playing their role, and there is no strong interest in fighting. Personally, I love this game, and I always play to the fullest. But just in my opinion, from the fact that I play with 5 guards or 1 knight, the selection will not change much, while I can play with 1, but not with the other, but in general, based on the answers, if I don’t run 30 0 as a booster, toxic and ruin, then in general the chance of blocking is minimal.

[phunk666]

I care about mmr, i dont understand why does the translator write "I don’t care about mmr". it's just a bad translation

[IgorHoruzha]

@commentator24 had written a scenario that may be a real consequence of the action. One more consequence is that is possible to fall in a smorves pool. It is not exact ban but with more than 10 minutes is necessary to find a at least not ranked games.

[IgorHoruzha]

Also it may be useful to red the post about smorves to see the intention wider.

[IgorHoruzha]

IMO better way is to play not ranked, team of 5, or provide some information that may help Your friends understand game deeper so they will increase their rank enough by their own effort. Like @commentator24 said, ranked games is a mod that is the closest to the PRO scene, so it has some conditions to play.

Nobody can prevent You of registering a new account, as same as to try playing ranked on it. But if an account has a lot of reports, or be detected as a smurf, for example due to a mistake on Your side while playing, Your accounts may have some consequences up to a Ban.

[phunk666]

Are they supposed to give me a warning anyway? I wrote a warning to my kents who had several accounts.

[IgorHoruzha]

Are they supposed to give me a warning anyway? I wrote a warning to my kents who had several accounts.

It depends, It may look like this way. Or this way also this way Or this way that is with a possible warning.

[IgorHoruzha]

At the same time, it may look this way #20423, the account is playable, but long queue time and a pull with smurves and account buyers.