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[Team Fortress 2] Sentries should ignore spies using the box trot taunt when not moving #5039

Open chexo3 opened 1 year ago

chexo3 commented 1 year ago

Spies in the box trot taunt should be invisible to sentries while they’re standing still. You can do lots of funny stuff with the box trot but sentries often ruin it because of their auto aim, blowing the spy’s cover when placed nearby. While moving, sentries should still notice however.

JoriKos commented 1 year ago

I'm in favour of this idea, given that we make the Box Trot a taunt everyone owns by default as a Sapper replacement

chexo3 commented 1 year ago

I'm in favour of this idea, given that we make the Box Trot a taunt everyone owns by default as a Sapper replacement

This wouldn’t let you sneak by sentries though. It would just let you hide from them the same as a player. I don’t think it’s super pay to win.

FrozenDragon0 commented 1 year ago

I'm in favour of this idea, given that we make the Box Trot a taunt everyone owns by default as a Sapper replacement

This wouldn’t let you sneak by sentries though. It would just let you hide from them the same as a player. I don’t think it’s super pay to win.

Would still be P2W regardless, the whole idea in general is terrible.

Delfite commented 1 year ago

I'm in favour of this idea, given that we make the Box Trot a taunt everyone owns by default as a Sapper replacement

This wouldn’t let you sneak by sentries though. It would just let you hide from them the same as a player. I don’t think it’s super pay to win.

We've already gone through TF2's Pay to Win phase, we absolutely do not need another one considering how bad the whole item set fiasco was and the fact players to had deal with it for YEARS. Better to have it be a normal taunt with no upsides or downsides than to even make it a weapon in the first place, not to mention spy's disguise kit and cloak already let you sneak past sentries.

chexo3 commented 1 year ago

not to mention spy's disguise kit and cloak already let you sneak past sentries.

I just said it wouldn’t let you sneak past sentries. If you move, the sentry sees you and locks on as normal. This is purely to prevent box trot spies from being revealed by sentries that are placed after they’ve started hiding.

I thought it would be a funny mechanic, basically. If you move or stop the taunt you get shot.

jh34ghu43gu commented 1 year ago

A box on the cart isn't considered moving.

Uncloaking onto a point, then using a bind to undisguise and immediately taunt would probably put you in box mode faster than the sentry could turn (assuming it is in front of the point facing away from it). Not to mention just hiding on the point in the box for a backcap - dustbowl 2nd and 6th comes to mind.

Lets not mention the inevitable invisible-to-sentry bug this will introduce that someone will inevitably find.