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Source 1 based games such as TF2 and Counter-Strike: Source
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[TF2] Heavy should get a Fourth Weapon Slot for Lunchbox weapons. #5245

Open AtomicTEM opened 1 year ago

AtomicTEM commented 1 year ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8_3MxElDGA

This video makes a good, in the current TF2 gameplay balance landscape, Heavy is the class most lacking in diverse gameplay. I and many others truly believe the addition of a Fourth weapon slot for Lunchbox weapons, would be the only change needed to make Heavy feel more balanced and fun to play for long hours like other gameplay diverse classes like soldier, pyro, and demoman.

AzureWoof commented 1 year ago

Would genuinely not mind a change like this, although I'm not sure when or if we're ever going to see more major balance changes like this.

Flpstrike commented 9 months ago

If Heavy actually get a Fourth Slot... what would be his "Stock" Lunchbox item then?

supervitu64 commented 7 months ago

i am highly in favour of this feature

gdfsgdfg commented 7 months ago

Can't upvote anymore than this.

WhenGryphonsFly commented 7 months ago

I understand why Valve might be hesitant of implementing this. If this change was made, it would likely be irrevocable. If it ends up being bad for game balance, well, too bad. (I personally think it would be good for game balance, or at least more fun, but I can see the risk.)

However, I do have an idea: implement #5213 first. Issue 5213 is about assigning custom weapons to different slots, but it could just as easily be used to assign official weapons to different slots. (Even if there is a technical reason that official weapons could not be reassigned, you could just make a custom weapon that is a duplicate of an official weapon.) This would allow community servers to try out this change first.

As for why community servers aren't already trying this out... it has been a few months since I last tried, but my experiments with giving Heavy a Lunchbox item in a different slot by preexisting methods did not work well. Regardless of if I used a custom weapons mod or the VScript GivePlayerWeapon example, trying to assign a Lunchbox to a slot other than Secondary was glitchy and ultimately not suitable for use on real servers. As such, I think resolving 5213 would be the easiest path for community servers to test this.