[TF2] Game crashes (almost) every map change on 64bit update

[cola-tf]

I have done a little research into this and it has apparently been an issue since at least 2010; however, I have never experienced this before now. These are my PC specifications: Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9700 CPU @ 3.00GHz 3.00 GHz Installed RAM 16.0 GB (15.9 GB usable) System type 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor I am using Windows 11 I use these launch options: -dxlevel 90 -windowed -noborder -w 1920 -h 1080 -novid I also use a performance config: Cowmanglia's "Max FPS for High Quality PCs" config. I have used all these settings for well over 3 years now with no issues whatsoever. Now to the actual issue: my game crashed about 12/15 of the last map changes since the update and about 4 map changes since the patch that I downloaded today. I played on casual and community servers (uncletopia) to see if that made a difference and it did not. Each map loaded up just fine, but after the match ended and a new map was loaded in, my game would unceremoniously crash. A few times it would crash immediately as the loading screen appeared, a few times it crashed after it reached the "sending client info" stage, and once it even loaded me into the server before crashing. I thought it had something to do with alt tabbing because when I did not, it seemed less likely to crash, but it still did crash a few times. I personally know other people who are crashing on map change and there was a reddit post made today complaining of this. I dont know if I did something different when the map loaded in and I established connection to the server without issue, but I could not replicate it consistently. Sorry if this was unhelpful, this is my first time doing this and I am not much a tech-oriented person, but I thought I would give it a shot anyway.

[CaptainCronch]

Same thing also happening on Linux, though the most recent time it happened there was an error message saying "cutllinkedlist overflow (exhausted memory allocator)"

Specs: OS: EndeavourOS Linux KERNEL: 6.4.12-zen1-1-zen CPU: Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz GPU: Intel Mesa Intel UHD (CML GT2) GPU DRIVER: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.6 RAM: 16 GB

[danielpinoy]

These are some solutions you can try one by one. -remove all launch options -try typing this in the launch option

"-dxlevel 95"

-try typing this in the launch option (dont remove quotations here)

"A:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf.exe" %command% -steam

[danielpinoy]

Same thing also happening on Linux, though the most recent time it happened there was an error message saying "cutllinkedlist overflow (exhausted memory allocator)"

Specs: OS: EndeavourOS Linux KERNEL: 6.4.12-zen1-1-zen CPU: Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz GPU: Intel Mesa Intel UHD (CML GT2) GPU DRIVER: 4.6 Mesa 23.1.6 RAM: 16 GB

Your the first one to report on this error message that I can find. This sometimes happens in L4D2 where certain props don't show up. Try to get more information and make a new issue and include your findings.

[JoriKos]

Try to get more information and make a new issue and include your findings.

More information should probably be posted here, as it would be a duplicate issue. Though this issue may also be a duplicate of an existing one, but there are a lot of game crashing bugs reported right now.

[cola-tf]

These are some solutions you can try one by one. -remove all launch options -try typing this in the launch option

"-dxlevel 95"

-try typing this in the launch option (dont remove quotations here)

"A:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf.exe" %command% -steam

This second command worked a little better for me. I still crashed 3 times after maybe 10 map changes today. Definitely better and I got my friends who crashed to use this command and it was somewhat effective for them as well. We all use various configs, that must be a factor here. I'm going to try uninstalling my custom files to see if they are what is making me crash. Maybe I can reinstall piece by piece but that will take a while. Please let me know what more information I can post.

[cola-tf]

One odd issue is that after implementing this command into launch options, the half-life sound effect that plays when picking up a healthpack is no longer playing. Now that I am on 32 bit tf2 and still crashing occasionally, what could that mean?

[dollardumb]

same issue, one thing I know in my case it triggers every time I load into a custom map for the first time, in trade or idle servers and the like. I haven't experienced crashes in casual/comp. Try putting -condebug in launch options and when it crashes check /tf/console.log/

I always get these random file crashes but there's no consistency and it's different every time so I have no idea.

[cola-tf]

It appears that the crashing is from Cowmanglia's config. Something in there is broken on 64 bit tf2 causing the crashes. Probably for the best that I get a different config. RIP :(

[cola-tf]

same issue, one thing I know in my case it triggers every time I load into a custom map for the first time, in trade or idle servers and the like. I haven't experienced crashes in casual/comp. Try putting -condebug in launch options and when it crashes check /tf/console.log/

I always get these random file crashes but there's no consistency and it's different every time so I have no idea.

I would have screenshotted this but the log was too long so I just copypasted it. I had some similar error messages to yours and a few different ones. I looked through this and there doesnt seem to be anything too interesting but maybe I am wrong about that. This is the last message block in console before it crashed (loading into mercenary park evidently):

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[indirectmondor]

still having issues after adding the launch codes, will try and change my config, fingercrossed, if some could tell what info is need I could try and give it

[dollardumb]

It appears that the crashing is from Cowmanglia's config. Something in there is broken on 64 bit tf2 causing the crashes. Probably for the best that I get a different config. RIP :(

Yeah you got it, I use Comanglia's toaster config so it's most likely one of those commands, which is a lot, only thing left would be to test each of them which I tried to do this morning for about 2 hours before realizing that my game wasn't crashing anymore, and all I did was just take out the "A:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Team Fortress 2\tf.exe" %command% -steam and put it back at normal with -dxlevel 90, it'll probably crash again eventually though, I'll keep testing once the crashes are back.

[dollardumb]

Started crashing again, it likes to crash way more when there's people in the server, it won't crash on empty servers, so out of the custom config it might be a command that messes with player models somehow.

[Skipbwai]

I am having a similar issue, the game systematically crashes when the server I'm playing on switches maps or I join another server.

OS: Arch Linux (6.8.5-arch1-1) CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D GPU: GIGABYTE AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX GPU driver: Mesa 24.0.5-arch1.1 RAM: 32 GB

The following error is generated upon game crash:

crash_20240427213831_3.dmp[157789]: Uploading dump (out-of-process)
/tmp/dumps/crash_20240427213831_3.dmp
/home/skip/.local/share/Steam/steamapps/common/Team Fortress 2/tf.sh: line 83: 153964 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) ${GAME_DEBUGGER} "${GAMEROOT}"/${GAMEEXE} "$@"

So apparently, TF2 segfaults when playing another match. I can play one match just fine, but for some reason this happens when the game attempts to load any other map...

[konkey]

For people using custom configs, I found the culprit of this to be mod_load_mesh_async 1. Possibly mod_load_anims_async 1 and mod_load_vcollide_async 1 as well, although those commands did not introduce crashes in my limited testing. For consistency's sake I set all the asynchronous loading cvars back to their default value of 0 and I've yet to experience any crashes since.

mod_load_anims_async 0
mod_load_mesh_async 0
mod_load_vcollide_async 0

[Xavibite]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS FIXED IT FOR ME THANK YOU SO MUCH

[Numereal]

it worked!!! thank you so much man

[indirectmondor]

yoo thank you so much this fixed it

[markdwhite]

Another fix here. Thanks to @konkey for that.

(Would mention that after quite a few rounds, I experience some lag/jerkiness that is solved by quitting and restarting TF2)

[meslambda]

Issue seems to persist even after async commands

Edit: As previously in this thread mentioned segfault, im getting similar "ExceptionCode: c0000005 (Access violation)" when viewing steam dumps

Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8300H CPU @ 2.30GHz 2.30 GHz 8 gb ram, 1 stick 1050ti mobile win11

[meslambda]

If anyone still has the problem after the async fixes, the command that crashed tf2 for me (on multiple pcs) was cl_always_flush_models 0.

I have not tested if this command still makes tf2 crash after the summer update but if anyone still keeps crashing try setting cl_always_flush_models 1.

[Arfench]

on Windows, just in case, update Steam

[torzod]

cl_always_flush_models 1 fixed it for me, thank you!