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[TF2][Feature Request] Replace Rumford with it's non-event version #6190

Open thaatds233 opened 4 months ago

thaatds233 commented 4 months ago

Since Rumford was added to the normal payload pool, it should be replaced with the non-event version of the map. The version in the game is known on the workshop as "Snowy Rumford" and the normal version is just "Rumford".

The snowy version should stay in the game as just a simple Smissmas reskin (like Snowfall).

JoriKos commented 4 months ago

Are there any major differences between the two maps outside of one being snowy?

KimmyTF2 commented 4 months ago

It looks like Valve is really insistent on this topic. Frosty is fine as CTF map. No gimmicks, just a nice looking map in a winter coat. HAARP has no place in CTF. It's a completely different gamemode. It propably should be moved back to Misc, unless Valve plans to create more tabs for new gamemodes in the future. Snowtower is just a lazy reskin of Hightower, but for some reason it was changed from PLR to KOTH. I really don't like this approach. Imo maps should have their game modes kept across all reskins. I would keep it for Smissmas only. Rumford has Christmas decorations and should stay in the Smissmas rotation. There's already a non-event version that should be added to replace it in the all year rotation: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2785679828. Hacksaw is also fine. No gimmicks or Christmas decorations. I don't know what to think about 2Fort Invasion and Probed. They have some gimmicks that normal maps don't have, but they are not related to any specific event, as Invasion was only a one time update. Maybe move them to the Halloween category? Aliens and stuff kinda fits it.

NO-LOAFING commented 4 months ago

Replying to https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Source-1-Games/issues/6190#issuecomment-2244696141

rumford's christmas decorations are very minimal, there's only a few props and rope lights in the spawnrooms, and a couple of the map's big paper roll props reskinned to look like wrapping paper. it seems excessive to ship an entire second variant of the map just to remove these things, maybe a better solution would be to hook them up to a tf_logic_on_holiday entity, so that the decorations don't spawn/the paper rolls use a different skin outside of smissmas?

snowtower has zero christmas theming, and has unique gameplay from the original hightower because of all the changes made to convert it to the koth gamemode. i'd be in favor of keeping it in, there's no good reason we should only be allowed to experience koth on hightower for one month out of the year. there's nothing wrong with gamemode conversions also having a change of theme, it keeps them fresh!

haarp was moved from the ctf category to the attack/defend category in a patch the day after the update, which is much better suited for it, no need to condemn it to the misc section.

when it comes to the invasion maps, i can definitely see where you're coming from with the halloween idea. 2fort invasion's only gimmick is the bombs, but probed has the underworld-style ufo, which is definitely pushing it. still, halloween is already massively saturated with limited-time maps, and i'm in favor of keeping as much content playable year-round as possible, so i'd be happy with 2fort and probed staying where they are.