Closed klongleywood closed 8 months ago
@dhakelila one more thing - Fields L and M from the Vizz_Country_Stats.csv can be summed to feed into the missing field in the Mangrove Emissions Mitigation widget (the field that speaks to mangrove restoration -- currently all of its values are at 750). I can update the original spreadsheet I provided to populate this widget, but it may be just as easy to pull in from that spreadsheet. Let me know what works best for you.
Great! We are looking into it.
Climate_Mitigation_per_Hectare_20221213.xlsx
@AngelArcones Column J has been updated with new values for the Mangrove Mitigation Emissions widget
@klongleywood I'm updating all the data for the widgets, and I've noticed that on the countries restoration info CSV there's odd values on the Proportion_Restorable
field (column N). This is supposed to be a % value for the sentence, but there's values well above 100 in this column, specifically Barhain (838.15), Qatar (103.03) and United Arab Emirates (112.39). In all cases, the mismatch calculation of this values comes from total mangrove extent values (Total Mangrove Area 2020 (ha)
, column C) that are below the loss and restorable extents.
Can you check if there is any issue with those values?
@AngelArcones -- I will check -- thanks for the catch!
@AngelArcones I just checked with the PI for this project and he said that it's possible to have >100% because it's based on the total mangrove extent between 1996 - 2000, so the area of loss could be higher than the 2020 extent. So if 1km2 left in 2020 but lost 10km2 the restorable area is 1000%
@klongleywood Ok! that makes sense! thanks for the clarification!
@dhakelila and fyi @lhilarides The country-scale restoration values look fine, but there are a few very minor issues with the stats for individual typology unit statistics. One issue is that it still says max mangrove area 1996 - 2016 (rather than 2020). the unit for the carbon values should also be mtCO2e, and they should have the word mean before them (e.g., mean soil organic carbon). For the fisheries and invertebrate enhancement scores, if they have a score of 0 they appear in the pop up with a value of "0 -" which is confusing. (I'm looking at a few units south of Luanda in Angola as a reference).
Looking into it
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@dhakelila https://github.com/dhakelila and fyi @lhilarides https://github.com/lhilarides The country-scale restoration values look fine, but there are a few very minor issues with the stats for individual typology unit statistics. One issue is that it still says max mangrove area 1996 - 2016 (rather than 2020). the unit for the carbon values should also be mtCO2e, and they should have the word mean before them (e.g., mean soil organic carbon). For the fisheries and invertebrate enhancement scores, if they have a score of 0 they appear in the pop up with a value of "0 -" which is confusing. (I'm looking at a few units south of Luanda in Angola as a reference).
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@dhakelila (and FYI @lhilarides) we just received a few comments from Tom, who is the PI on the restoration data. I tried to capture priority were possible as some of them are actual errors and some are design opinions that could be fixed at a later stage
I'm still waiting from him to get the global summary restoration statistics
Hi Kate, ok to all the bugs and changes. Sorry for the bug of the bar and very good catch.
Regarding the Mangrove Loss widget. How should we proceed? What I understand is that in a Mangrove there is: "Loss area" and "healthy area" (let me call it this way for the example). Then, the "loss area" splits in "restorable area" and non-restorable area. And that proportion of healthy/restorable/non-restorable is what we want to represent. Making also somehow clear that the restorable and non-restorable are both part of the "loss area". And that clarification could be done in the legend by expressing it in the following way:
Healthy area [Color]: area Loss area: area
Let me know how to proceed with this.
Hi Clara,
Thanks for looking into this. Your understanding of this is correct, that the non restorable area and the restorable area both make up the total loss area, and I think your proposal to indicate that via the legend is a good option, especially since it seems easy. Instead of healthy mangrove for the remaining area, we could call that Current Mangrove Area.
Alternatively, since we already display the statistic for current mangrove area in the donut chart, we could just have the box chart show the proportion of restorable vs. non-restorable loss area and leave out the current mangrove extent completely. I think this is preferable, but if it calls for considerably more coding, option 1 will be fine.
Kate
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Hi Kate, ok to all the bugs and changes. Sorry for the bug of the bar and very good catch.
Regarding the Mangrove Loss widget. How should we proceed? What I understand is that in a Mangrove there is: "Loss area" and "healthy area" (let me call it this way for the example). Then, the "loss area" splits in "restorable area" and non-restorable area. And that proportion of healthy/restorable/non-restorable is what we want to represent. Making also somehow clear that the restorable and non-restorable are both part of the "loss area". And that clarification could be done in the legend by expressing it in the following way:
Healthy area [Color]: area Loss area: area
Let me know how to proceed with this.
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Hey Kate, I'll discuss with the team to know the work this might require. But I'd say that if we have the data, and I think we do, the changes won't take a crazy amount of time.
Regarding the possibility of not including the "remaining mangrove area", I'd argue that even if we already have that statistic represented on the chart, it can also be very interesting to see the "remaining" and the "loss" in the same chart to compare them better and to understand the effort that different regions do to preserve their mangroves.
Let me know!
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Hi Clara,
Thanks for looking into this. Your understanding of this is correct, that the non restorable area and the restorable area both make up the total loss area, and I think your proposal to indicate that via the legend is a good option, especially since it seems easy. Instead of healthy mangrove for the remaining area, we could call that Current Mangrove Area.
Alternatively, since we already display the statistic for current mangrove area in the donut chart, we could just have the box chart show the proportion of restorable vs. non-restorable loss area and leave out the current mangrove extent completely. I think this is preferable, but if it calls for considerably more coding, option 1 will be fine.
Kate
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644)
Hi Kate, ok to all the bugs and changes. Sorry for the bug of the bar and very good catch.
Regarding the Mangrove Loss widget. How should we proceed? What I understand is that in a Mangrove there is: "Loss area" and "healthy area" (let me call it this way for the example). Then, the "loss area" splits in "restorable area" and non-restorable area. And that proportion of healthy/restorable/non-restorable is what we want to represent. Making also somehow clear that the restorable and non-restorable are both part of the "loss area". And that clarification could be done in the legend by expressing it in the following way:
Healthy area [Color]: area Loss area: area
- Restorable area [color]: area
- Non-restorable area [color]: area
Let me know how to proceed with this.
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Hi Clara,
Ok, sounds good! I just discussed with Lammert and we both agree that, if possible, we’d like to remove the remaining mangrove area completely. I see your point that some people might be interested in seeing the ratio of loss to total, that is accomplished through other widgets and within the context of restoration, having a clearer view of the ratio between restorable and non-restorable loss in this context is more important.
We also noticed that the blue color in the donut chart above for restorable area is used to display a different value in the block diagram below, which could be confusing. In the loss diagram, could you make non-restorable loss red and restorable loss green?
Thanks!
Kate
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Hey Kate, I'll discuss with the team to know the work this might require. But I'd say that if we have the data, and I think we do, the changes won't take a crazy amount of time.
Regarding the possibility of not including the "remaining mangrove area", I'd argue that even if we already have that statistic represented on the chart, it can also be very interesting to see the "remaining" and the "loss" in the same chart to compare them better and to understand the effort that different regions do to preserve their mangroves.
Let me know!
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Hi Clara,
Thanks for looking into this. Your understanding of this is correct, that the non restorable area and the restorable area both make up the total loss area, and I think your proposal to indicate that via the legend is a good option, especially since it seems easy. Instead of healthy mangrove for the remaining area, we could call that Current Mangrove Area.
Alternatively, since we already display the statistic for current mangrove area in the donut chart, we could just have the box chart show the proportion of restorable vs. non-restorable loss area and leave out the current mangrove extent completely. I think this is preferable, but if it calls for considerably more coding, option 1 will be fine.
Kate
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644)
Hi Kate, ok to all the bugs and changes. Sorry for the bug of the bar and very good catch.
Regarding the Mangrove Loss widget. How should we proceed? What I understand is that in a Mangrove there is: "Loss area" and "healthy area" (let me call it this way for the example). Then, the "loss area" splits in "restorable area" and non-restorable area. And that proportion of healthy/restorable/non-restorable is what we want to represent. Making also somehow clear that the restorable and non-restorable are both part of the "loss area". And that clarification could be done in the legend by expressing it in the following way:
Healthy area [Color]: area Loss area: area
- Restorable area [color]: area
- Non-restorable area [color]: area
Let me know how to proceed with this.
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Great, Kate. So we'll implement this as soon as possible. The team is already allocated to other projects, but I think we'll get it done by next week. I'll keep you posted.
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Hi Clara,
Ok, sounds good! I just discussed with Lammert and we both agree that, if possible, we’d like to remove the remaining mangrove area completely. I see your point that some people might be interested in seeing the ratio of loss to total, that is accomplished through other widgets and within the context of restoration, having a clearer view of the ratio between restorable and non-restorable loss in this context is more important.
We also noticed that the blue color in the donut chart above for restorable area is used to display a different value in the block diagram below, which could be confusing. In the loss diagram, could you make non-restorable loss red and restorable loss green?
Thanks!
Kate
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644)
Hey Kate, I'll discuss with the team to know the work this might require. But I'd say that if we have the data, and I think we do, the changes won't take a crazy amount of time.
Regarding the possibility of not including the "remaining mangrove area", I'd argue that even if we already have that statistic represented on the chart, it can also be very interesting to see the "remaining" and the "loss" in the same chart to compare them better and to understand the effort that different regions do to preserve their mangroves.
Let me know!
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wrote:
Hi Clara,
Thanks for looking into this. Your understanding of this is correct, that the non restorable area and the restorable area both make up the total loss area, and I think your proposal to indicate that via the legend is a good option, especially since it seems easy. Instead of healthy mangrove for the remaining area, we could call that Current Mangrove Area.
Alternatively, since we already display the statistic for current mangrove area in the donut chart, we could just have the box chart show the proportion of restorable vs. non-restorable loss area and leave out the current mangrove extent completely. I think this is preferable, but if it calls for considerably more coding, option 1 will be fine.
Kate
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644)
Hi Kate, ok to all the bugs and changes. Sorry for the bug of the bar and very good catch.
Regarding the Mangrove Loss widget. How should we proceed? What I understand is that in a Mangrove there is: "Loss area" and "healthy area" (let me call it this way for the example). Then, the "loss area" splits in "restorable area" and non-restorable area. And that proportion of healthy/restorable/non-restorable is what we want to represent. Making also somehow clear that the restorable and non-restorable are both part of the "loss area". And that clarification could be done in the legend by expressing it in the following way:
Healthy area [Color]: area Loss area: area
- Restorable area [color]: area
- Non-restorable area [color]: area
Let me know how to proceed with this.
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Thanks Clara! Here’s a clarification from Tom on the wording:
My only concern with boxes, is that the data is slightly misleading in that restorable area is a subset of what is termed “Non-Restorable Lost Mangrove Area” rather than in addition to it. Could “Non-Restorable Lost Mangrove Area” be reworded to “Total area of loss” and “The main mangrove loss driver” be reworded to “The main restorable mangrove loss driver”
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Great, Kate. So we'll implement this as soon as possible. The team is already allocated to other projects, but I think we'll get it done by next week. I'll keep you posted.
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Hi Clara,
Ok, sounds good! I just discussed with Lammert and we both agree that, if possible, we’d like to remove the remaining mangrove area completely. I see your point that some people might be interested in seeing the ratio of loss to total, that is accomplished through other widgets and within the context of restoration, having a clearer view of the ratio between restorable and non-restorable loss in this context is more important.
We also noticed that the blue color in the donut chart above for restorable area is used to display a different value in the block diagram below, which could be confusing. In the loss diagram, could you make non-restorable loss red and restorable loss green?
Thanks!
Kate
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Hey Kate, I'll discuss with the team to know the work this might require. But I'd say that if we have the data, and I think we do, the changes won't take a crazy amount of time.
Regarding the possibility of not including the "remaining mangrove area", I'd argue that even if we already have that statistic represented on the chart, it can also be very interesting to see the "remaining" and the "loss" in the same chart to compare them better and to understand the effort that different regions do to preserve their mangroves.
Let me know!
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Hi Clara,
Thanks for looking into this. Your understanding of this is correct, that the non restorable area and the restorable area both make up the total loss area, and I think your proposal to indicate that via the legend is a good option, especially since it seems easy. Instead of healthy mangrove for the remaining area, we could call that Current Mangrove Area.
Alternatively, since we already display the statistic for current mangrove area in the donut chart, we could just have the box chart show the proportion of restorable vs. non-restorable loss area and leave out the current mangrove extent completely. I think this is preferable, but if it calls for considerably more coding, option 1 will be fine.
Kate
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Hi Kate, ok to all the bugs and changes. Sorry for the bug of the bar and very good catch.
Regarding the Mangrove Loss widget. How should we proceed? What I understand is that in a Mangrove there is: "Loss area" and "healthy area" (let me call it this way for the example). Then, the "loss area" splits in "restorable area" and non-restorable area. And that proportion of healthy/restorable/non-restorable is what we want to represent. Making also somehow clear that the restorable and non-restorable are both part of the "loss area". And that clarification could be done in the legend by expressing it in the following way:
Healthy area [Color]: area Loss area: area
- Restorable area [color]: area
- Non-restorable area [color]: area
Let me know how to proceed with this.
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Hi Kate, let's see if I got everything:
Tom's message is not very clear to me. I understand that he is explaining that "restorable area" is part of “Non-Restorable Lost Mangrove Area”. So to get the correct numbers, we need to subtract the "restorable area" from the "non-restorable". Is that correct?
I'd say that apart from doing the correct calculations with the data to get the correct numbers, we can more clearly explain that on the legend by explaining that both restorable and non-restorable are part of the "loss area" and only show on the chart the two rectangles belonging to those categories.
Regarding the text changes, I'm not sure if I understand the change that Tom proposed. "The main restorable loss driver", does that mean that is the driver that affects only the restorable part of the mangrove?
I'm attaching a sketch of how it would look with the changes.
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Hi Clara, I'm not able to see the image attached -- can you resend to my email? Otherwise, your understanding is correct. Do you need me to send a new spreadsheet with that calculation?
As for the text change, yes, the driver of loss in this case just refers to the driver of loss for the restorable area, which is important context because the driver of loss influences how restorable a patch of mangrove is. So, if you could make that text change as proposed, that would be great.
@klongleywood I believe it is mainly about clarifying wording now. As I understand it, it goes as following:
With all these values, we should only be showing the latter two in the widget (which add up to the total of the first, the total loss), along with an appropriate rewording.
Please correct me if anything is mistaken, as there are many details and wordings discussed here and we want to make extra sure that we don't miss anything in the process.
Hi all, I've just checked in with Tom to make sure that this interpretation is correct. I will get back shortly.
@AngelArcones @dhakelila
Yes, ok, so I just clarified with Tom, and this is approximately what we'd like to see (let me know if you can't see the image I pasted below. Essentially, there are 3 statistics, the total area of loss, which reflects the sum of non-restoreable areas of loss and the restoreable area of loss. If we can make the infographic reflect this as much as possible, that is ideal.
Hi Kate, I see. I think we'll need to play around with the legend to make the user understand the total loss is the addition of the non-restorable and restorable adding areas to it as, at this time, we can't invest the time it'd take to change the chart.
In the next phase, we could invest some time to investigate how better represent that on a chart.
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Yes, ok, so I just clarified with Tom, and this is approximately what we'd like to see (let me know if you can't see the image I pasted below. Essentially, there are 3 statistics, the total area of loss, which reflects the sum of non-restoreable areas of loss and the restoreable area of loss. If we can make the infographic reflect this as much as possible, that is ideal.
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Hi @dhakelila yes, understand we can't do a re-work at this stage, but just illustrating that we want to make sure that it is clear that the two aspects of loss make up total loss.
@AngelArcones and fyi @dhakelila @lhilarides the updated global values are as follows:
Variable | Value | Notes |
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Restoration potential score | 68 | Can we drop the "%% symbol |
Total restorable area | 818309.0392 | Correct on staging |
Mangrove arrea in 2020 | 14727416.49 | Correct on staging |
The main restorable loss driver | Commodities (rice, shrimp, and oil palm cultivation) | Correct on staging |
Total area loss | 1174439.087 | Needs updating |
Non-Restorable loss mangrove area | 356130.0482 | Needs updating |
Restorable loss mangrove area | 818309.0392 | Correct on staging |
Aboveground Carbon | 87144275.69 | Needs updating |
Soil Organic Carbon | 303348490.3 | Needs updating |
@dhakelila and FYI @lhilarides
I'm happy to say I have the final version of the restoration data to post to the site.
The csv contains the country-level statistics. I can provide them in a shapefile if you need I'm assuming it's just as easy to bring in from a csv...let me know if that assumption is not correct. I've listed the stats with the corresponding fields in the order of how they display on the widget.
Column F informs the Mean Restoration Potential Score Column N informs the percentage displayed in the following sentence: [Country's] restorable mangrove areas represent x% of the total mangrove area. [Note that this is a proportion of the restorable area compared to the current footprint, so the percentage might be >100% Column E is the total restorable area in ha Subtract Column E from Column D to get the total non-restorable area [here, please change year to 2020 in the widget text]
Column R is main mangrove loss driver Column A is total mangrove area (in 2020) Subtract Column E from Column D for non-restorable lost mangrove area Column L is aboveground carbon Column M is soil organic carbon
I'm providing a link to download the gdb for the updated typology data: https://tnc.box.com/s/cj7in2vbjklcid4wczcy0kia7lumfg7a
Everything should be exactly the same; however, some of the names and values within the restoration score details have changed as follows:
Suspended Sediment Trend is now Called Hydrological disturbance, and is represented by the fields Flow_Group and Flow_Group1 (for the values and the scores, respectively)
Median patch size should now be called "Patch Size and Number" but is represented by the same field (Med_Patch) Vizz_Country_Stats.csv
Time since loss should be called "Timing of Loss" (represented by the same field, Time_Loss)
Percent Contiguous should be called "Patch connectivity" (represented by the same field, Contig_Group)
A few other things in the app overall: We don't want to display the Area degraded score with the typology unit statistics. Can you replace this with the Primary Loss Driver? [Column header Loss_Driver]
We don't want to display the people protected metric under the ecosystem services scores
Can you change the text under the ecosystem services scored from "for restores mangrove" to "for restored mangroves"
Under the details of the restoration score, "Tital range" should read "Tidal range"
I'm going to work on getting updated info button language to you hopefully next week.