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What does Scholia consider to be an award? #600

Open VladimirAlexiev opened 5 years ago

VladimirAlexiev commented 5 years ago

I've removed the redundant type "award" of entities that have the sub-type "science award". According to GerardM this breaks Scholia: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Vladimir_Alexiev#Scientific_award, so I added back type "award" to 1722 science awards.

But there are still many awards that use a more specific type and not the supertype "award", search for query count of subtypes for which the supertype "award" is missing in that page.

Furthermore, I noticed that OBE/KBE are not awards

What exactly does Scholia consider to be an award?

Daniel-Mietchen commented 5 years ago

In short, anything that is the object in a P166 (award received) statement.

fnielsen commented 5 years ago

Well, it depends. If you edit the URL then everything can be an award and what is show on the page is mostly based on the P166 annotation. For aspect detection it is usually the "instance of" that is a bit of ad hoc. You can see the list here: https://github.com/fnielsen/scholia/blob/master/scholia/query.py#L568 There is also the aspect switcher on the top of pages. That is base on a SPARQL query and is based on detecting a P166: https://github.com/fnielsen/scholia/blob/master/scholia/app/templates/base.html#L113

fnielsen commented 5 years ago

https://github.com/fnielsen/scholia/blob/master/scholia/query.py#L568 could be extended with order and class of award.

VladimirAlexiev commented 5 years ago

Order no, class of award yes. (See page of TimBL, he won KBE which is a class of award, not OBE which is an order)

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GerardMeijssen commented 5 years ago

When an OBE is an order and not considered an award.. we get into semantics that show how broken things are.

VladimirAlexiev commented 5 years ago

@GerardMeijssen I think that modeling is mostly correct. See TimBL https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q80#q80$54f6fefe-49a6-a683-db64-133fb15ee40a

TimBL won KBE, which is a membership in the OBE. He didn't "win" OBE, which is a society. By the same token, he won Fellow of the British Computer Society, Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering, Computer History Museum fellow etc. He didn't win those institutions, but only his membership in them.

I think you are mistaking two meanings of the word:

GerardMeijssen commented 5 years ago

Well, you prove my point. What we have is broken.. Many societies have memberships and fellows. How people become either is a study in its own right. What we do and have done is have memberships and fellowships as awards. In Wikipedia these things are bundled together.. it is said that they received an OBE in a year. It is perfectly understandable. All this does not explain however and that is the point why we should have "academic awards".

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  • he won "Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire" which is "award, rank of the Order of the British Empire" and has class "type of award"
  • Order of the British Empire is "order of chivalry of British constitutional monarchy" and has class "order of chivalry" and super-classes "confraternity", "society", "order"

TimBL won KBE, which is a membership in the OBE. He didn't "win" OBE, which is a society. By the same token, he won Fellow of the British Computer Society, Fellow of the Royal Academy of Engineering, Computer History Museum fellow etc. He didn't win those institutions, but only his membership in them.

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