Spring 2023 "F2F"

[Westbrook]

It's been quite a while now, but it seems like it would be a good idea for us to gather and discuss some of the really exciting proposals and specs that have been coming up or coming together in support of new functionality in the world of web components.

In concert with the WCCG, I'd like to propose we work toward making something happen the first half of April 2023. For out part, having the discussion is the most important part of the event, but we'd be interested in your thoughts on live vs virtual vs hybrid sessions as well.

Happy to take suggestions on Agenda content below:

• the WCCG has an early list of topics that I'll share in a comment below, and would be highly interested in sponsoring some pre-breakout conversations around them to ensure the highest level of productivity at the F2F itself.
• there's been past conversation around making F2Fs quarterly that would be great to get into the agenda as well

I've created this poll to gather the availability of interested parties through the month of April: https://www.when2meet.com/?18702051-ib5Wi

As we'll be virtual there is room for spreading the conversation out over more than one day, but please try to mark availabilities of at least 90 minutes each so we can find sizable chunks of time to get as deep into the various APIs we'd like to target as possible.

[justinfagnani]

If it'll help, I'd like to give a short (5min) overview of the additional DOM Parts ideas and what's motivating them. I can make a few slides for it.

[justinfagnani]

@Westbrook I think I'm the owner of the two gcal events now, and the associated Meet meetings, so I think we're all set there. I'll make sure another Googler or two is an owner/cohost so they can adjust settings and admit people if neccessary.

Other logistics questions:

• Where should we take live notes? I've see Google Docs, Evernote, and I think an IRC bot in the past. I don't know what the current favored platform is.
• Should we also have a live chat? Google Meet has one built in, though it's not the most full-featured chat. We could also do Matrix. Or not have one (or use Meet's chat for very small things, but greatly prefer live conversation).
• Recordings: I think we've usually not recorded these meetings due to preferences from individuals and employers. Just confirming that I don't think we'll even need to raise the question at the meeting.
• Chair: checking again, do we need one?

[rniwa]

• Recordings: I think we've usually not recorded these meetings due to preferences from individuals and employers. Just confirming that I don't think we'll even need to raise the question at the meeting.

Yeah, please don't record the video/audio.

[justinfagnani]

@rniwa can you add this as an issue under "Declarative adoptedStylesheets": https://github.com/WICG/webcomponents/issues/939?

[muhammad-salem]

I would like to attend (virtually), i am interested in Custom Elements, Shadow DOM and Scoped Custom Element Registries.

[EisenbergEffect]

I'd also like to attend virtually. I don't know why I never got any communication on this. It doesn't seem like anyone from FAST or perhaps even from Microsoft was made aware of this event. Both myself (architecture and technical advisor on FAST) and @Chrisdholt (representing Microsoft) would like to attend. I have opened up my schedule to participate on both days. @Westbrook or @justinfagnani Can you assist please?

Update: Westbrook reached out and got me the info. Looks like there were a combination of things that happened leading to the missing information. All is sorted. Thanks!

[justinfagnani]

Hey everyone... I think there was a little snafu with the calendar events and when @Westbrook transferred ownership of them to me they by default went to my personal calendar. So I think they might not have been listed at the links Westbrook posted above for a while. Apologies!

I transferred them back to the WCCG calendar, though there are now two events (I presume Westbrook created some new ones while I was sleeping in Pacific time). They have the same Meet link, so that's not a problem. If I invited you specifically to an event, you're still there.

To surface them again, some links:

• WCCG Calendar
• Monday, April 17th 12pm to 4pm ET (link)
• Thursday, April 20th 12pm to 4pm ET (link)

See you there!

edit: and I had to make the effects public too, which is now done.

[rniwa]

We're having a separate F2F meeting to discuss DOM parts in more depth. Please refer to https://github.com/WICG/webcomponents/issues/999 for scheduling & agenda of that meeting.

[justinfagnani]

@annevk how do you want to run "Web Components pain points in general" tomorrow?

25 min isn't much time, I'd imagine we only have enough time to list some things?

[sashafirsov]

WC pain points to discuss:

• multithreading, ability to do heavy lifting with detached DOM and return back to main thread the promise with DOM.
• pure function in ES as tool for multithreading legitimate even in main JS thread
• upgrade XSLT to 3.0+, one of reason of current XSLT abandoning is the limited functionality
• support multiple default namespaces on HTML level. Needed for high-order web components where the tags can be defined by namespace adjustments. This is non-invasive declarative way of tags mapping which is not (yet?) covered by local/global registries

[nolanlawson]

We'll have a separate F2F to discuss cross-root ARIA. For scheduling and agenda, please see #1005.

[justinfagnani]

Here is the link to the notes doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XWp4ndl5bthoxhnqR9Ly1SYvYcmXw1eTrappoMXsuH4/edit?usp=sharing

I've locked down edit-ability on the public link. If you want to change something in there, let me know and I can add you as an editor.

[justinfagnani]

I added an issue to schedule the "Styling and Theming" breakout: https://github.com/WICG/webcomponents/issues/1006

[renoirb]

Shoot. I wrote here something about lazy loading component, moved it there. Oops!