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HTTPS security on local devices (routers, cameras, printers, etc.) #245

Open aarongustafson opened 3 years ago

aarongustafson commented 3 years ago

title: HTTPS security on local devices (routers, cameras, printers, etc.) date: 2020-12-07T23:24:58.845Z submitter: PRIVATE number: 5fceb9cafdfdc42a3f49240a tags: [ ] discussion: https://github.com/WebWeWant/webwewant.fyi/discussions/ status: [ discussing || in-progress || complete ] related:

There are many devices on a typical home LAN that have built-in web servers. These include the configuration pages for routers, security cameras, printers, IP phones, and other devices.

By their self-hosted nature, these devices do not have a valid HTTPS certificate installed on them and are therefore not considered a secure origin. Many current web features are only available to secure origins. (For instance, you cannot install a home screen shortcut to a web page on Android, because that requires a PWA, which requires a Service Worker, which requires a secure origin.)

In practice, we end up with a couple scenarios:

Back in the day, it was easy for a user to trust a self-signed certificate right from the security prompt. This option is no longer available, which undoubtedly makes day-to-day browsing more secure, but hurts the security for local device usage by forcing insecure scenarios. There needs to be some other way to trust a self-signed certificate in certain scenarios.

Brad Isbell brad@audiopump.co

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bradisbell commented 3 years ago

I want to share with you the printer instruction sheet that prompted this request. This is from an MBrush/PrinCube.

Certificate Instructions

If you can't read the text in the photo, the relevant part is:

  1. Goto Settings > General > About > Certificate Trust Settings. Under "Enable full trust for root certificates," turn on trust for the downloaded certificate.
aarongustafson commented 3 years ago

Triage: Reducing idea to the simple request "I want to be able to use Service Worker on my local network"

bradisbell commented 3 years ago

@aarongustafson Unfortunately, there's a lot more to it. The Service Worker problem is just a specific example. All the new specs require secure contexts for features such as Media Devices API, Web MIDI API, Geolocation API, etc..

Self-signed certificates don't fall into the "secure" context bucket, and therefore it's very difficult (impossible in some cases) for users to use web platform features.

If I were to simplify this request, it would be as-follows:

I want to be able to easily trust self-signed certificates upon initial visit to the page using that certificate.

Example Dialog