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The8thSoul: Town Investigative Each night, may choose a player to learn whether a teammate died by lynch the previous day. All Townsfolk are seen to never have any reaction. Wolves only mourn if a pack member was lynched (even if they are packless or lycanless).

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The8thSoul: Could be powerful as it could confirm whether a lynched player was a wolf or not, as well as find another wolf in the process

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The8thSoul: However, most of the time I would expect this role to see nothing

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The8thSoul: So... a relatively weak TI in comparison to Fortune Teller, Aura Teller and Crowd Seeker, but can still yield very useful info

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The8thSoul: Only problem is the "luck based factor"

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The8thSoul: (If it's not obvious already, all solos will mourn if any of their members die to lynch the previous day. Basically, if you find someone mourning, they are 100% evil.)

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The8thSoul: Because of how weak the investigative ability is, I am willing to say this role is not affected by disguises, obstructions or redirections.

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The8thSoul: (disguises for certain, not sure for other two)

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The8thSoul: Optional mechanic: There is another emotion you detect, which is happiness. This will show on players that both voted to lynch the player and are not on their team.

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shapechange: so it's basically oracle but you compare one alive person with the person who was lynched yesterday

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shapechange: pros:

• encourages D1 lynch
• probably fairly easy to fake
• weak enough to be used in conjunction with another TI

cons:

• gets no info N1
• very weak
• if you don't know the alignment of the person who was lynched, basically useless: if you do (reporter/proven/whatever), basically just a far weaker oracle
• doesn't really fill any niche

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shapechange: it's a cool idea but I think I'd probably vote no

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The8thSoul: I had completely forgotten about Oracle ._.

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The8thSoul: Welp, I'll just quickly write up a rework

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The8thSoul: Town Investigative/Killing Each night, learn the number of suspicious players alive. Suspicious players are those who have committed any crimes throughout the entire game, which includes attacking players, manipulating votes and witchcraft (enchanting, wagers, dooming etc.). When more than half of the alive Townsfolk are suspicious, gain the ability to interrogate a player each day. This adds them to a private chat with you the following night. During that night, you may question them, executing them if you feel they are an evildoer. You may only execute once. You also have the ability to challenge a particular message to learn of any lies during interrogation. This is done by replying to a specific message and pinging the hosts, to which they will either reply "Truth", "Lie" or "Uncertain".

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The8thSoul: <@458727748504911884> reworked it :D

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The8thSoul: I probably should get rid of the executing ability and just have the ability to question about a particular message

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The8thSoul: I think it would be unique though

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shapechange: this is essentially a completely different role

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The8thSoul: yeah

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The8thSoul: Coz anything else I thought about kinda just went back to Oracle again or Aura Teller

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shapechange: i think we've had the second part of the role (the interrogation part) proposed and rejected before? <@242983689921888256> might remember

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The8thSoul: It makes sense tbh

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The8thSoul: it's a bit subjective

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The8thSoul: and probably would cause arguments

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The8thSoul: I just felt like having the three options only should kinda help with it though

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The8thSoul: coz I think I suggested something that used numbers before (a scale) and it was just too subjective

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The8thSoul: Something called Mathematician or something

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The8thSoul:

Town Investigative/Killing Each night, learn the number of suspicious players alive. Suspicious players are those who have committed any crimes throughout the entire game, which includes attacking players, manipulating votes and witchcraft (enchanting, wagers, dooming etc.). When more than half of the alive Townsfolk are suspicious, gain the ability to interrogate a player each day. This adds them to a private chat with you the following night. During that night, you may question them, executing them if you feel they are an evildoer. You may only execute once. You also have the ability to challenge a particular message to learn of any lies during interrogation. This is done by replying to a specific message and pinging the hosts, to which they will either reply "Truth", "Lie" or "Uncertain".

But yeah, for this variation it would either be the execution ability or the interrogation ability only

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Ts:

i think we've had the second part of the role (the interrogation part) proposed and rejected before? <@242983689921888256> might remember

I'm not sure if it's been proposed, but we did have a MWR role called Interrogator

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The8thSoul:

I'm not sure if it's been proposed, but we did have a MWR role called Interrogator

how did it work?

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Ts: Interrogator | Townsfolk Killing | Unofficial Basics The interrogator interrogates one player each night, and can choose to execute them at the end of the night. Details Each day, the interrogator chooses a player to interrogate in the next night. The player will be able to communicate privately with the interrogator, and then the interrogator can choose if they want to execute the interrogation target or not. The interrogator gets a total of 3 executions, and can not execute night 1. If the interrogator executes a town role, the interrogator will lose all remaining executions.

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The8thSoul:

Interrogator | Townsfolk Killing | Unofficial Basics The interrogator interrogates one player each night, and can choose to execute them at the end of the night. Details Each day, the interrogator chooses a player to interrogate in the next night. The player will be able to communicate privately with the interrogator, and then the interrogator can choose if they want to execute the interrogation target or not. The interrogator gets a total of 3 executions, and can not execute night 1. If the interrogator executes a town role, the interrogator will lose all remaining executions.

wait... so Jailor from Town of Salem?

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The8thSoul:

You also have the ability to challenge a particular message to learn of any lies during interrogation. This is done by replying to a specific message and pinging the hosts, to which they will either reply "Truth", "Lie" or "Uncertain". <@242983689921888256> is this part alright though?

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The8thSoul: I'm not sure whether it is suitable due to possible host meta

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The8thSoul:

i think we've had the second part of the role (the interrogation part) proposed and rejected before? <@242983689921888256> might remember

(sorry, I somehow misunderstood this part and thought you meant the lie detection part)

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Ts:

You also have the ability to challenge a particular message to learn of any lies during interrogation. This is done by replying to a specific message and pinging the hosts, to which they will either reply "Truth", "Lie" or "Uncertain". <@242983689921888256> is this part alright though?

I think this mechanic wouldn't really fit very well

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shapechange: i agree

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The8thSoul:

I think this mechanic wouldn't really fit very well

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The8thSoul:

Each night, learn the number of suspicious players alive. Suspicious players are those who have committed any crimes throughout the entire game, which includes attacking players, manipulating votes and witchcraft (enchanting, wagers, dooming etc.). Is this part completely fine though?

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shapechange: the suspicious players part is interesting but i can't really think of a situation where it would be useful unfortunately

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The8thSoul: Guess so

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Ts: <@&1045732542399131769> anyone interested in this for v16 or should it be postponed?

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shapechange: def not interested

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shapechange: rather think it should be scrapped tbh

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Ts: alright lets do that then