Incubus

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Alphaviki: Incubus | Solo Power - Hell Team | Limited

Basics The Incubus wins with the devil and joins a channel with the devil to communicate securely. The Incubus may redirect the ability of a lover, used against hell team, towards a chosen victim. The Incubus copies the role or disguise of their last lover.

Details At the start of the game the Incubus’ soul is added to the Hell team’s pool of souls, and they are soulless afterwards. The Incubus cannot use souls from the soul pool.

During the day, the Incubus may choose a lover and a victim. The Incubus cannot choose soulless players as lovers or victims. At the start of the following night, the Incubus is weakly, permanently disguised as their lover or if the lover has any disguise, they are disguised as their weakest. Redirections apply. The Incubus is not told their new disguise. During the night, all abilities used by the lover on any Hell team member is redirected towards the victim.

Each player may only be chosen as the lover once.

Members of the Hell team cannot betray the team in any way.

If the Incubus is the last living member of the Hell team/channel, they turn into a demon.

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!Phantomtomic: Stalker whispers <:thonk:688530547857031236>

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Captain Luffy: It used to

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Captain Luffy: Was like a single target grandma

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Alphaviki: Well from power abilities, misc abilites, attacks and i checks. The last is detrimental towards Hell team and in the original version, this would actual require careful play from the enc player, to not target an i role. Attacks are already covered by protection. and the only power and misc abilities of note are either beneficial towards hell team or a day ability or a solo ability and then you would need another solo team to make the role worth it. What I find appealing about the original setup is that it needs careful planning and knowledge of both hell team and enc who to target, to not get ti and also to figure out when you could/should redirect attacks from what player. With a protection against anything from everyone feels more like an umbrella for hell team than a planned endeavour and also leaves little counterplay options.

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Alphaviki: Tbf most whispering abilities are preceded by something like enchanting, which would be the thing that would be redirected + devil can't be targeted anyway, because they are soulless

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Captain Luffy: whispering such as grandma, corrupt wolf

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Captain Luffy: it makes sense that they cant be redirected

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Alphaviki: Yeah true, I forgot about them. That would make sense. But that can just be in the whispering description, rather than the role description

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Captain Luffy: yeah, glossary is in progress

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Alphaviki: Awesome!

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Captain Luffy: also, should they be informed that an ability is redirected

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Alphaviki: You mean the Enccubus or the Thrall?

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Alphaviki: Also I thought about it again and I feel like adding an enthralled status makes the role more complex than it needs to be 🤔

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Alphaviki: Hmm how about "Pet" instead of "Thrall"? Than we can use the enthralled status for some other role?

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Captain Luffy: i mean the enccubus

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Captain Luffy: cuz assistaant and flute appretice are informed

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Alphaviki:

Hmm how about "Pet" instead of "Thrall"? Than we can use the enthralled status for some other role?

Or maybe not. Pet sounds a bit wierd

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Alphaviki:

i mean the enccubus

True, they should be 🤔

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Alphaviki: Ill add that

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Alphaviki: Honestly the best word instead of Thrall would be escort, but that sadly also has another meaning :///

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Captain Luffy: thrall is good choice, because it pairs with the word enthrall

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Captain Luffy: which could be the action name

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Alphaviki: True, but how would the action against the victim be? Maybe "You may enthrall a player and find a victim"? Tbf this is taking the original version into account. I feel like the role is more interesting with the two targets and not the umbrella protection against everything.

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Captain Luffy: if ur gonna go that route, why not just force the entralled person to visit the target regardless of if they visit hell or not

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Captain Luffy: though try to stay away from the word target because thats terminology for the ability type called targetting lol

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Alphaviki: Oh ok, hmm I'll do some rearranging of words

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Alphaviki: How about choosing instead of targeting? In the current wording it is just

During the day, the Enccubus may choose a Thrall and a Victim. The Incubus cannot choose soulless players as Thralls or Victims. [...] During the night, all abilities used by the Thrall on any Hell team member is redirected towards the Victim.```

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Captain Luffy: actually maybe targetting is the better choice lol. it could be a targetting ability

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Captain Luffy: for the victim

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Captain Luffy: its better than choosing 2 players every night

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Alphaviki: Ok I will change one to targeting and one to enthralling then o7

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Alphaviki: I got rid of the nouns entirely

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Alphaviki: One problem: If we want to be able to have "enthralled" be removed by an excorcist, the enthralling has to take place the night before. 🤔

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Captain Luffy: no if its a 1 day long thing, then no need

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Captain Luffy: it just over complicates it

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Alphaviki: When should the enthralling start then? Rn I have it as an end-of-day ability. If we make it an immediate day ability, it leads to a situation where it is about who shoots first between exorcist and Enccubus

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Captain Luffy: nah dont mke it interact with exo, if it lasts 1 day its not important

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Captain Luffy: the phase time you choose is arbitrary, assuming it lasts for the current phase + the next one

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Alphaviki: Oooh now I mean what you meant with your previous message, whoops xD

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Alphaviki: Rn I just have it end-of-day + the following night. But I could make it for day as well, but that would also slightly nerf Barber (not if we ever used it lol).

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Captain Luffy: end phase is good choice imo

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Captain Luffy: make it last until the next end phase

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Alphaviki:

make it last until the next end phase

You mean until end-of-night? That sounds good

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Captain Luffy: i mean the next end of day phase

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Captain Luffy: so it lasts 1 day and 1 night

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Alphaviki: Ahh ok, good that I asked, sounds good

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Captain Luffy: also need to mention that

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Captain Luffy: if their target is soulless or dead, the ability fails

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Alphaviki: Oh yeah I forgot that, I know I at least wanted to add the soulless part, but I forgot lol

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Captain Luffy: where are you updating it btw