Undo UA categories

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venomousbirds: Is it really neccesary? Ua shouldn't have to be seen as a threat and having to categorize everything is just gonna be confusing (UA was the only one with unique categories and I think it was fine as as it used to be) Most new UA categories don't have a lot of roles and it's just gonna be a hassle to look everything up. UA shouldn't have to be unique because most alignments ignore UA anyways

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derpsnorlax: Ua?

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venomousbirds: Unaligned

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mctsts: I don't find this to be a very offensive change, however were did we discuss it?

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mctsts: I found the PR, here: https://github.com/McTsts/Werewolves-Roles/pull/1038

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mctsts: its not linked to an issue however

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mctsts: <@544125116640919557> or <@458727748504911884> where did we discuss this originally / vote on it?

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shapechange: i cannot remember

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e_thsn: idr either

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shapechange: it was in a completely unrelated thread i think

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e_thsn: I think it was over like 2-3 issues

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shapechange: uh I don't mind especially if it's rolled back but i do think it's a lot neater to have a UAK category

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e_thsn: it started in baroness

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shapechange: also allows for more ua faking by wolves

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shapechange: which i think assists the difficulty of UA

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shapechange: I don't remember if we implemented a UAI but I'm less keen on that

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venomousbirds: i dont remember wolves faking ua and being caught because of at but its a possiblity ig?

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shapechange: the problem with not having these categories is largely consistency

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venomousbirds: ua is consistently special so i didnt mind the lack of consistent categories

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mctsts: Basically UAI and SI contain investigative abilities that Baroness can read, without UAI/SI this requires an edge case. That was the original reason this was done apparently

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shapechange: ah yes that makes sense

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shapechange: in which case i am back in support of UAI

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mctsts: Then we also added UAK and UAP for consistency

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venomousbirds: simply not have baroness be affected by ua

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mctsts: That's potentially bad

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venomousbirds: si i sort of understand but the category is practically useless

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shapechange: consistency is very important to me personally

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derpsnorlax: Yes

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venomousbirds: so i dont think its any use to add them at all

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mctsts: Baroness needs to have a good amount of roles it can target so it wont be useless too quickly

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venomousbirds: ww and town already have a solid set of invest

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shapechange: if we are going to have an extensive discussion on this issue i would appreciate if it waited til after the game as i would like to concentrate on that

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mctsts:

also allows for more ua faking by wolves

Hadn't thought of this, but I like it

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mctsts:

ww and town already have a solid set of invest

Though iirc Baroness cant target same target twice and usually there'll only be 2-3 targets

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venomousbirds:

if we are going to have an extensive discussion on this issue i would appreciate if it waited til after the game as i would like to concentrate on that

im just adding it now, not with the intention to have it added in v16, so we can discuss it later

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shapechange: great <:KittyThumbsUp:1072236975458893844>

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venomousbirds:

Though iirc Baroness cant target same target twice and usually there'll only be 2-3 targets

oh i didnt know it had that limit

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e_thsn: we decided to limit it that way otherwise it could just perma piggyback a TI and make all of town's investigations known to wolves

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mctsts: I dont really think anyone will care all that much about this change and it makes some things more convenient so I'm for keeping it

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venomousbirds:

we decided to limit it that way otherwise it could just perma piggyback a TI and make all of town's investigations known to wolves

that makes sense, yes

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venomousbirds: i didnt know the limite was a thing so i assumed it could do that anyways

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venomousbirds: woudnt be the first broken role we accepted anyways

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mctsts: Is there any need to continue discussing this?

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shapechange: I don't believe so