New Ice Royals

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e_thsn:

the three main problems with flock were a) multiple solo effects, which contributed to b) way too confusing and hard to keep track of abilities, as well as c) being a vote manip solo. ice royals definitely keeps a) and c) and i'm not convinced it wouldn't eventually develop into b)

for A) the second effect of chilling is similar in its workings to charming for flute

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shapechange: doesn't mean i don't dislike it

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e_thsn: fair

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shapechange: also wrong its

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e_thsn: <@458727748504911884> <@242983689921888256> <@234474456624529410> made some changes Removed voting manipulation, and made it 1 effect

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shapechange: doing that whilst the vote is still active is just confusing

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e_thsn: I didn't want to re ping everyone 😔

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captainluffy: I also don't wanna call the action investigate. It's a solo role, should be ice King related

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venomousbirds:

<@&1045732542399131769> now that the game is over I want to do a vote on replacing flock with an improved ice royals, cause flock is nothing like the original concept of a solo who can remove their own solo effect from people to gain power

Ice King CS like invest (but immune to disguises (this can change but imo makes it a bit harder for IK as balance)) Freezes successful guesses roleblocking them weakly disguise as the role of a frozen player (chooses player and that player's role is the IK's disguise (updates with said player's role and is lost if player is unfrozen)

Ice Queen Checks player's role during the day affected by weak disguises, redirections and obstructions can freeze a player during the night if the role has an action weakly disguise as the role of a frozen player (chooses player and that player's role is the IQ's disguise (updates with said player's role and is lost if player is unfrozen)

yes no yes but these versions need some improvement 🤷 abstain

how about we dont rush this

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venomousbirds: how about you ping again in like 2 weeks

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e_thsn: fair

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mctsts: give it a try on MWR

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e_thsn:

I also don't wanna call the action investigate. It's a solo role, should be ice King related

we call solo killing attack or death? we call reaper investigate investigate

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e_thsn:

give it a try on MWR

sure

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nottinghamshire: It’s unique but roleblocking is mean

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☠ Nick ☠: Eh feel like the Queen is a bit overpowered with the king

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☠ Nick ☠: But i like this role

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the8thsoul:

Eh feel like the Queen is a bit overpowered with the king

I think King is meant to be like Devil and Queen is like Cerberus

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the8thsoul: How do you unfreeze a player? Coz otherwise I fear being frozen may be a bit powerful

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☠ Nick ☠:

I think King is meant to be like Devil and Queen is like Cerberus

Actually yeah you are right i completely forgot about those

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the8thsoul:

How do you unfreeze a player? Coz otherwise I fear being frozen may be a bit powerful

Coz atm after being frozen "actions are impaired". This is very vague.

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the8thsoul: It could potentially mean something like flute enchantment for investigatives, or they are completely roleblocked altogether

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the8thsoul:

during the day can apply x amount of invisible votes against a player (where x = amount of alive frozen players) Also, this will be very OP, especially near the start when lynch targets are relatively obscure

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the8thsoul:

during the day can apply x amount of invisible votes against a player (where x = amount of alive frozen players) Also, this will be very OP, especially near the start when lynch targets are relatively obscure

It's like vote sniping, but anonymous

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the8thsoul: It just seems like a very powerful way to eliminate players

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e_thsn:

How do you unfreeze a player? Coz otherwise I fear being frozen may be a bit powerful

wdym?

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the8thsoul:

wdym?

Is the only way to unfreeze someone is by either killing the Ice Royals or by being exorcised?

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e_thsn: yes

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the8thsoul: Then the person who got their role guessed... rip them

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e_thsn: we could make it night actions only

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the8thsoul: I just feel like not being notified that you were frozen + having your vote stolen anonymously + your action is weakened/blocked entirely is just too powerful

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the8thsoul: It's basically the same as being dead

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the8thsoul: like it might be better to just make it so their vote gets stolen and they have a delayed death if the Ice Royals aren't dead

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the8thsoul:

I just feel like not being notified that you were frozen + having your vote stolen anonymously + your action is weakened/blocked entirely is just too powerful

coz in this scenario, you save claimspace (or keep players alive, hence reducing the chances of being lynched)

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the8thsoul:

like it might be better to just make it so their vote gets stolen and they have a delayed death if the Ice Royals aren't dead

while in this scenario you reduce the amount of players

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e_thsn:

I just feel like not being notified that you were frozen + having your vote stolen anonymously + your action is weakened/blocked entirely is just too powerful

doesn't vote steal

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the8thsoul:

doesn't vote steal

ah ok, I misread it

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e_thsn: it was origionally gonna do that

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the8thsoul: I thought it nullified their vote too for some reason

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e_thsn: but then we thought rbing was better

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the8thsoul: I think instead of rbing, it adds a luck factor

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the8thsoul: ok nvm

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the8thsoul: luck is bad

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the8thsoul: ignore that

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the8thsoul: maybe to reduce the luck factor, every odd/even night they are silently roleblocked?

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e_thsn: we have like 1 (?) role that does something randomly

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e_thsn: and that's the FP obstruction

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the8thsoul:

maybe to reduce the luck factor, every odd/even night they are silently roleblocked?

like... maybe every other night after being frozen initially, you are silently roleblocked, or your investigation returns the opposite results?

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e_thsn: also IK does have to guess your true role to roleblock you

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the8thsoul:

also IK does have to guess your true role to roleblock you

true