Poll closing with a soulkill or snipe

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venomousbirds: I suggest we make it so soulkills have to be executed 5mins in advance (because people will need to read the announcement)

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venomousbirds: This could also be for any role that has midday actions

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shapechange: yes

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mctsts: they already do, we just pretend they dont

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mctsts:

This could also be for any role that has midday actions

that is absolutely horrible

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5uso: I think this is a reasonable compromise. It helps solve the issue but it needs to be conveyed to players with these powers somehow

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venomousbirds: delaying the poll by any time would make it contradict the snipe rule (if you plan a snipe, hosts will make sure the poll ends on time)

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venomousbirds:

that is absolutely horrible

Let me rephrase: any role that has midday actions that are announced in storytime

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mctsts: less horrible

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venomousbirds: people need time to read (as they're likely watching another channel like voting booth or trusted cc or wolfpack etc) so they have to switch to storytime

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shapechange: i think all immediate actions that are delayed to "end phase" should be executed five minutes before phase change, and immediate actions should not be submitted after the five minute mark

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shapechange: that is my suggestion

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shapechange: and i believe what vera is saying

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venomousbirds: and then switch to voting booth to be able to at least do something

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venomousbirds: the channel switching also can be severely affected by slow loading times, bad internet and panic etc

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venomousbirds: 5 minutes seems like enough time for it to still cause the intended chaos and for people to actually do anything about it

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5uso:

i think all immediate actions that are delayed to "end phase" should be executed five minutes before phase change, and immediate actions should not be submitted after the five minute mark

I agree the limit in delays and actively pinging should be the same. That ensures it's not encouraged or required to play optimally to do the action right at phase change

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venomousbirds:

i think all immediate actions that are delayed to "end phase" should be executed five minutes before phase change, and immediate actions should not be submitted after the five minute mark

sounds fair

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venomousbirds: this also takes into account that hosts are generally busy around phase change (some more than others)

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mctsts:

I agree the limit in delays and actively pinging should be the same. That ensures it's not encouraged or required to play optimally to do the action right at phase change

instead it then requires you to be online as early in the phase as possible

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e_thsn: there should be exceptions (forgetting of prompts by hosts or target switching)

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mctsts: we have discussed this before and have concluded it is impossible to fix that

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shapechange:

there should be exceptions (forgetting of prompts by hosts or target switching)

there should not

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mctsts: if delaying is as good as doing it manually, the new meta becomes delaying as early as possible

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venomousbirds: i dont think ive seen anyone misuse the delay rule (delaying first to do something before another role)

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5uso:

instead it then requires you to be online as early in the phase as possible

I don't think as many situations are affected by two immediates mattering in the delay

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shapechange: hosts should not forget prompts, period

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5uso: Or at least it's not as predictable

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5uso: Also delaying very early on means you don't have the information from that phase to make the decision

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venomousbirds: that too

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mctsts: you can always cancel and redelay

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shapechange: maybe if we execute "delayed to end of phase actions" in an arbitary order?

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mctsts: so the strat becomes to delay what you think is best and continously update it

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mctsts: it keeps getting worse

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shapechange: i think that also kind of improves timezone imbalance

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mctsts:

maybe if we execute "delayed to end of phase actions" in an arbitary order?

could you suggest anything worse

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venomousbirds: dont we have rule that we execute them in the order they're asked in?

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mctsts: yes

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venomousbirds: which i think is fine

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e_thsn:

i dont think ive seen anyone misuse the delay rule (delaying first to do something before another role)

we had the opposite actually remember with solos and exorcist

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shapechange: ts you can dislike my ideas but you dont have to be a cock about them

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venomousbirds:

we had the opposite actually remember with solos and exorcist

i dont remember

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venomousbirds: thats why i said what i said

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venomousbirds: if i had remembered i wouldve said that

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5uso: Does anyone really play optimizing delays? People play doing actions last minute

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shapechange: "i don't like this idea because x" is way more respectful and constructive than "this idea is shit"

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venomousbirds: i dont optimize my delays

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mctsts: this entire thread is shit

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mctsts: it never comes up

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mctsts: and is a waste of everyone's time to discuss

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shapechange: ts man c'mon