Roles that Reveal

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shapechange: change the following roles to not (be able to) reveal themselves upon using their ability:

• barber
• executioner
• royal knight

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shapechange: <@&1045732542399131769>

<:yes:590859662161739806>- yes to the above <:no:590859664883843072>- no to the above <:maybe:854088240877273128>- change some mentioned roles, but not others

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e_thsn: exe is hard to make not reveal themselves because it occurs only when they change the lynch

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shapechange: there's no real literal change to exe, just a mechanic change for consistency

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e_thsn:

there's no real literal change to exe, just a mechanic change for consistency

Oh I see

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e_thsn: Oh also what about Huntress like we announce it died and killed someone but not who it was

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shapechange: huntress isn't one of the listed roles

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shapechange: death reveals are a separate category to live reveals

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e_thsn: I was suggesting we also remove it but ig not

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shapechange: ah

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shapechange: if we changed huntress we'd probably have to also change ranger and mad scientist

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shapechange: and i think those roles work best with a reveal

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shapechange: but maybe you could make a new thread discussing it if you want to?

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shapechange: it's not an idea I hate

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mctsts: I'm for only changing RK

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mctsts: Changing RK has the most interesting result (especially because its end phase)

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mctsts: Barber ability can only be faked by Devil so that just seems like an odd change

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e_thsn:

Barber ability can only be faked by Devil so that just seems like an odd change

that's the point tomake it easier for devil to fake

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mctsts: Seems pointless and weird

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mctsts: A barber-faking devil risks getting day killed by Barber

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mctsts: It's still not a smart strat for Devil to claim Barber unless they identify and kill Barber really early into game through a lucky N1 invest by WR

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mctsts: As it is the change doesn't really allow for new strats, but does make the game more confusing

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mctsts: <@414059729392762881> <@203091600283271169> <@544125116640919557> what makes changing Barber good?

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federick: I think it makes it more consistent

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mctsts: With what?

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federick: with general philosophy

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mctsts: We still have plenty of reveals in all sorts of places

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mctsts: If you're voting because of consistency you should be voting <:no:590859664883843072>

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federick: I think confirmable actions are meh, even if it doesn't change much I think it's better

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e_thsn: less confirmable, the role can't just be used to get a confirmed townsfolk and now is a role used to strategically kill an enemy who may be defended at night

edit: spelling

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mctsts: It still just as confirmable in most games

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mctsts: What you want is a one-shot night killer

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mctsts: This change does nothing to achieve what you say

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shapechange: i want barber to be changed especially in case we do add more daykillers in the future

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shapechange: but rk is the one that is really necessary

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shapechange: barber i care less about

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e_thsn: It's also less publicly confirmable

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mctsts: We haven't done so for 6 years and if we ever do it we can revisit it

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mctsts: It's still just as confirmable for almost all games EXCEPT it now relies on timing confirmation

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mctsts: Which is absolutely stupid

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mctsts:

but rk is the one that is really necessary

RK change is good

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shapechange: also - this allows for a runner, hooker, etc known to the barber to claim they were the barber

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shapechange: meaning wolves may waste a kill

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mctsts: That's a good point

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mctsts: But that makes it a buff

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shapechange: I'm not necessarily opposed to that

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mctsts: It's the only good argument in favor of the change so far imo

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mctsts: But I'm not convinced we should be buffing Barber

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e_thsn: it makes it more of a strategic role rather than a "bam look I'm barber make me reporter" imo

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mctsts: I still think introducing confirmation based on timing is so absolutely awful that it's not worth it

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mctsts: We usually hate timing confirmation so adding it to buff a role that's already quite strong seems to be a terrible idea