Bloody Butcher permadisguise

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shapechange: make bb permanently disguised as butcher

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shapechange: <@242983689921888256> <@277156693765390337> <@544125116640919557> <@203091600283271169> any thoughts?

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e_thsn: Would be interesting

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e_thsn: Strong I assume

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e_thsn: Like SnW

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shapechange: strong or weak, don't particularly mind

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shapechange: but I do think it really needs one

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federick: I dont like disguises much but if its a necessary evil then sure

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e_thsn: Without disguises town is too reliant on TI

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mctsts: Not a fan

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mctsts: Butchers are more fun in combination with Tanner

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shapechange: i like them in combo with tanner but i feel they really don't work with pack tanner

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mctsts: Pack Tanner still works but forces the wolves to be smart about it

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mctsts: I think for some games a disguised butcher might work better, but overall I think adding the disguise takes a lot away from the game

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shapechange: the thing with PT is it works but it kind of locks PT into one course of action, which i despise

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mctsts: Well PT can only disguise BB every other night

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mctsts: I guess they could still spend every night disguising a butcher

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shapechange: yeah - especially with CS that is the absolutely necessary course of action, whilst with FT it's usually best

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shapechange: moreover, with tanner and a TI, it's highly likely that either town trust can form N1, or that bb will be dead by D2

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shapechange: because it's known to all players that butchers don't claim until N1

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mctsts: the icon implies a strong disguise

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mctsts: its the same as SnW

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shapechange: so the chances of tanner finding and disguising bb correctly D0 are so astronomically slim that an FT is able to trust the result they get N1

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mctsts: yea true

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mctsts: and even than the only thing that gets taken away is a very generic play that doesn't really do anything interesting

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shapechange: i think of adding this disguise as less of a buff to bb and more of a nerf to butchers

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mctsts: whereas the disguised BB can lead to much more different ways it can play out

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shapechange: yes

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mctsts: im convinced

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shapechange: yay ^-^

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federick:

and even than the only thing that gets taken away is a very generic play that doesn't really do anything interesting

Yea this is true

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federick: But I hate how many roles can weakly disguise themselves on D0 ngl

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shapechange: <@&1045732542399131769>

• give bb a disguise

if you vote <:yes:590859662161739806>, please also vote for one (or both, if you're indifferent) of the following: 1️⃣ - strong disguise 2️⃣ - weak disguise

• bb doesn't need a disguise

• something else?

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shapechange:

But I hate how many roles can weakly disguise themselves on D0 ngl

yeah, all four of them (hell team and psycho)

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federick: Was WWW removed

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e_thsn: strong disguise also guards from AT and Ranger

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shapechange: www disguise is inbuilt

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federick: <:thonk:681990540266569875>

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e_thsn:

Was WWW removed

WWW and SnW don't get the choice

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shapechange: it doesn't choose its disguise

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federick: Oh right

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shapechange: plus it's strong iirc?

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federick: Isnt fox in there too

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mctsts: strong disguise to be consistent with SnW

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e_thsn:

The White Werewolf imitates the most common non-WG role in the wolfpack. It is strongly disguised as that role and gains all its abilities.

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shapechange: no foxes have disguises except df

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shapechange: which is temporary and strong iirc

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e_thsn: if it's sneaking it's not strongly disguised as snw tho

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mctsts: yea

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mctsts: <@458727748504911884> you can vote